Intentional Walk

[LMan]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Don't do much FED, but if you are using the automatic intentional walk, isn't that only an option before the pitcher throws any pitches? Isn't it true that once you throw a pitch, the pitches for the IBB must be thrown?

No, a coach can ask for a IBB on any count, and you just wave the BR to 1B. You have to kill the ball to award the IBB, however.

[mbyron]

Wait a sec - my poor memory is nagging me, saying that an intentional walk might be one of the things (along with the next pitch and a play initiated by the defense) that makes an improper batter the proper batter. Somebody with the book handy, please tell me whether I'm making this up. TIA.

[LMan]

Day-yum, bud, you are good.

FED 7-2-c "When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out.....or an intentional base on balls has occurred.....the improper batter becomes the proper batter."

...but occurred to whom? it doesnt specify whether its the IBB to the improper batter himself or the succeeding batter that legitimizes him. And I dont have a casebook with me.

[blueump]

Originally Posted by LMan

Day-yum, bud, you are good.

FED 7-2-c "When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out.....or an intentional base on balls has occurred.....the improper batter becomes the proper batter."

...So if an improper batter walks (unintentionally lets say) and then rounds first and steals second, he can no longer be called out either?

[LMan]

Originally Posted by blueump

...So if an improper batter walks (unintentionally lets say) and then rounds first and steals second, he can no longer be called out either?

He is still subject to appeal, since that's all part of the same play. Action has not relaxed.

In FED, a subsequent defensive play would foreclose any appeals (pitch, balk, pickoff attempt, etc).

In OBR, either an offensive or defensive play forecloses an appeal, so in this case if the walked batter stopped at 1B, action relaxed, the next batter took his place in the box, and then R1 stole 2B, that would stop the appeal (in OBR).


RE: the original sitch, it looks like that 7-1-c refers to the next batter (the one after the BOO guy) getting a IBB that cancels an appeal. This is supported by 8-2-5 (Pen (3)) on general appeal procedures (at least in FED).

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by LMan

Day-yum, bud, you are good.

FED 7-2-c "When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out.....or an intentional base on balls has occurred.....the improper batter becomes the proper batter."

...but occurred to whom? it doesnt specify whether its the IBB to the improper batter himself or the succeeding batter that legitimizes him. And I dont have a casebook with me.

My book says "When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out and the defensive team appeals to th umpire before the first leagal or illegal pitch, or, play or attempted play, or prior to an intentional base on balls or before the infielders leave the diamond if a half inning is ending, the umpire shall declare the proper batter out and reture all runners to the base occupied at the time of pitch."

The way I read it, the intentional walk must be issued to the next batter for the improper batter to become proper.

[NIump50]

Originally Posted by LMan

Day-yum, bud, you are good.

FED 7-2-c "When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out.....or an intentional base on balls has occurred.....the improper batter becomes the proper batter."

...but occurred to whom? it doesnt specify whether its the IBB to the improper batter himself or the succeeding batter that legitimizes him. And I dont have a casebook with me.

I think you're quoting from Fed Penalties: For batting out of order(Art. 1 and 2) of 7-1-1&2

Strictly from a logical perspective it doesn't make sense that a team would lose their right of appeal because they intentionally walked an improper batter.

Also #2 of penalty section is pretty clear that it is an IBB of the following batter. The appeal must come before the first legal or illegal pitch to the next batter, since an IBB requires no pitches that had to be specifically noted.

So the IBB of the improper batter was a heads up play by the defense.
Kudos to the coach

[mbyron]

Glad we got that cleared up: "intentional walk" does appear in the relevant rule, but only an intentional walk to the NEXT batter makes the improper batter the proper batter.

In the situation that happened, the coach was quite right.