Devil Rays prospect throws bat at plate umpire

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

I guess that Jeff doesn't have a relative who is in law enforcement.

Why would I want a relative to cover up for fellow workers when they shoot innocent people in the back. Oh I forgot, he had a gun.

Peace

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

Originally Posted by J.Rutledge
Please let us not compare sports to other occupations. No one goes around yelling at authority figures because a situation does not go their way in real life. Also sports is about the only place where it is acceptable for people to yell at anyone and call them all kinds of names or heckle them because they are with another company (team) or by customers (fans). Also no one said it was acceptable to throw a bat at someone.

I guess Jeff doesn't have a relative in law enforcement.

Like any seasoned umpire, authority figures with badges have seen their share of abuse. I shouldn't have to explain that law enforcement officers get taunted, touched and ridiculed daily. They are taught to use discretion and ignore taunts and unacceptable behavior. Turn on the television and you will see rapid response units being pelted with stones, urine, feces and other unmentionables. They absorb all types of insults. While you may not believe it, sworn law enforcers actually have less rights than you and I.

For what it's worth, I can't recall the last time a Naperville police officer shot someone in the back, so drop the boy from the hood routine. You find ways to hijack every thread. Congratulations on proving your teachers wrong.

[Kaliix]

Hey real good PWL, way to make a logical argument. Instead of actually trying to discuss the points made, you conveniently just say that there's "no substance" to them and "leave it at that". Translated, that means, I have no way to counter what you say so I'll just dismiss the points as having no merit so I don't have attempt to justify and discuss my position. Nice!

Whether or not some, any or all of the jobs at the ballpark are part-time, seasonal or otherwise doesn't matter. The point is that alot of those people rely on that income and just don't do it for fun. Your and the AMLU's lack of caring about those people goes directly to my point. The union philosophy is that you don't care how anyone else will suffer, as long as we get what we want. And oh by the way, you should support us when what we do causes you to lose money and have a hard time trying to provide the necessities of life for you and your family. Yeah, right...

I loved you argument about the grounds keepers getting mad and quitting that management would have a big stack of applications to choose from. I sounds familiar, kinda like how the AMLU got mad and didn't show up for work and management had a enough workers to choose from to keep the games going. You can't have it both ways buddy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless the gander is unionized, of course, then it's all right....

Keep drinking the union Kool-Aid...

Originally Posted by PWL

Let's just say it had no substance and leave it at that. I'm sure all those people you mentioned would most likely have some sort of financial hardships. However, these are seasonal part time jobs, not career make it or break it jobs. I'm sure if all the grounds keepers got mad and quit, they have a big stack of applications to choose from. I'm sure those jobs are to die for. That and concession stand worker. Just try to stop from twisting like a kite in the wind. If you want to blame some one, try PBUC for a change and get of the AMLU's back.

[umpduck11]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would I want a relative to cover up for fellow workers when they shoot innocent people in the back. Oh I forgot, he had a gun.

Peace

Nice. Lovely painting with a broad brush.........

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by umpduck11

Nice. Lovely painting with a broad brush.........

Tell this to the Chicago Police Department that had an entire unit falsely accuse people of crimes, beat suspects (many where innocent) and intimidate suspects into confessions. The Governor at the time had to commute death penalty sentences or give pardons because this unit put so many poor individuals in prison for crimes they did not commit.

Then yesterday a young man is shot in the face by police and he had no clothes on or gun on him in after the police were called to his house.

If you do not want to be brushed or stereotyped, stop stereotyping others based on what they look like and what community they live in.

Peace

[lawump]

Originally Posted by BloggingRefGuy

LawUmp:

In response to your earlier question, Baseball America is now quoting Hubler saying what the 9:00 AM poster said he did.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...ws/261152.html

Thanks guys...I only took one Public Relations course in my life...so I'm no expert...but I think that is just a dumb thing to say.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

sworn law enforcers actually have less rights than you and I.

WWTB,

I agree with everything you said about law enforcement officers...and having relatives who are law enforcement officers...I have great respect for them.

However, as a lawyer who works in the area of constitutional law, I have to disagree with the portion of your post that I quoted above.

As citizens, law enforcement officers have the same constitutional rights as any other non-law enforcement officer.

Now, if you are suggesting that, as agents of the state (or municipality or federal government), they are specifically prohibited, under the Constitution, from violating certain explicit and implicit Constitutional rights of other citizens, (while at the same time truly private individuals are not so prohibited), then you are correct.

However, limiting the power of the state (and its agents), in my opinion, fosters individual liberty. And that's a good thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by WhatWuzThatBlue

[Color=Red] For what it's worth, I can't recall the last time a Naperville police officer shot someone in the back, so drop the boy from the hood routine. You find ways to hijack every thread. Congratulations on proving your teachers wrong.

Naperville? Who said anything about Naperville? I guess your teacher did not show you any other place on a map or you have never been outside of Illinois your entire life. One of the examples I gave took place in Glen Ellyn yesterday. I would not consider Glen Ellyn a poor community or a racially diverse area. I guess you have to be from the “hood” to be shot in the back. Or in the Glen Ellyn case, shot in the face will do.

One of my parents was a Lab Technician in a major city and metropolitan area and worked in the coroner's office and would do autopsies in many death cases in that area (ever watch CSI). It was an epidemic of police officers shooting people in the back (they happen to be of certain races). It was always funny how you would watch the news and turn to my parent and you would hear the real story.

Peace

[lawump]

Most posters know my position on the strike (as a former MiLB ump...I'm decidedly pro-AMLU)

However,

(1) it appears to me that this "replacement" handled this situation well. Assuming he didn't say anything unprofessional to bait him (which I doubt he did) I say he handled it very well. In fact, he kept his composure a lot better than I would have. Seriously, I would have had to have been restrained by my partner(s)...which I admit would not have been the right thing to do.

(2) this is an assualt and if it happened to me I'd get the cops involved...maybe even file a civil suit, although the damages suffered appear to be minimal. But such a suit may make future players think twice.

(3) I respect Mr. Hubler, although I haven't talked to him since I left "the game" many moons ago...but I think from a PR point of view, that was a dumb statement to make.

(4) Mr. Young deserves a long, long suspension.

My two (or four) cents.

[Durham]

I haven't said much about the strike and I will stay out of that debate, but this freaking guy needs to and is being dealt with. As an umpire I was trained to not care, think twice, or offer my opinion of what the fine/suspension should be so I don't care about the details. I just hope, as an umpire, that they are so sever that no one ever does something like that again, at any level. I can just see some high school/juco/adult ball/summer ball/DI/DII/DIII kid doing that **** if this guy seems like he gets off in the end.

[Kaliix]

PWL,
What in the hell are you rambling on about? You aren't even making sense at this point and you certainly aren't going to try and discuss any points that I brought up.

You have your opinions about unions to the point of being brainwashed it seems. In any event, you are obviously not going to try and discuss any points made that might be counter to union philosophy.

Believe what ever makes you feel better.... (shaking head)

Originally Posted by PWL

Have you ever heard of the AFL-CIO? Did you know that when a union convention comes to a city they try to stay in hotels with union staff. If they need something printed to pass out at said convention the always find a union print shop.

For one thing you know so little about labor management and negotiations. It's like I said your a kite twisting in the wind. All these people you talk about, they don't work for the actual minor league team in most cases. They work for sub contractors who furnish the workers. The sub contractor who is hired to take care of the field will hire his own ground crew. And so forth and so forth. Maybe at some of the smaller ball parks they hire. Hell, the minor league team doesn't even own the ball park they just lease it. MLB furnishes the players. PBUC does the umpires. MiLB owners hires some one to run these for them and take a cut off the top.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by ncump7

Sorry to disagree with you. He threw the bat at a scab who has disrespected our brothers in blue. I guess this shows that the gloves are coming off in dealing with the "replacements". These guys have been babied by Minor League Baseball since the strike began. If they were treated like the real umpires, they would not be there, the games would not be played, PBUC would have to deal with the umps, and the entire farce would be over. I don't wish an injury on anyone, but the scab was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What have they done to earn respect? Stab our fellow umpires in the back. Not much respect for that from either the players, or other umpires.

What a load of dookey. You are so brainwashed by the Union Cult that you are siding with a socioapath over the umpire.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would I want a relative to cover up for fellow workers when they shoot innocent people in the back. Oh I forgot, he had a gun.

Peace

Ahhhh, nothing like cop-hating to increase your credibility with normal people-We all respect cop-haters.

[tiger49]

I don't care who you are (soon to be a star- Young)or what you are doing (replacement ump) but no human being should do this to another.

http://youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?...0ump%204/26/06

[gsf23]

Originally Posted by ncump7

Sorry to disagree with you. He threw the bat at a scab who has disrespected our brothers in blue. I guess this shows that the gloves are coming off in dealing with the "replacements". These guys have been babied by Minor League Baseball since the strike began. If they were treated like the real umpires, they would not be there, the games would not be played, PBUC would have to deal with the umps, and the entire farce would be over. I don't wish an injury on anyone, but the scab was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What have they done to earn respect? Stab our fellow umpires in the back. Not much respect for that from either the players, or other umpires.

Well, maybe the next guy will just forget about the toss and just turn and crack em across the face with the bat.

And hopefully his wife and kids will be at the game to see it live, that'll really teach those scabs.

Some of you union guys are unbelievable. As soon as I saw the headline for this story I thought the first thing that would happen is that the guys on strike would blame it on the umpire, saying he caused it or wasn't trained enough or didn't have enough experience. If you really think that young wouldn't have THROWN his bat at a so-called "real umpire" then I really need to have some of what you guys are smoking.