Devil Rays prospect throws bat at plate umpire

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Here's better quality video that shows the actual pitch. The announcer suggests that Young may have thought the pitch was high, but I suppose that he thought it was outside. It couldn't have been a real bad pitch; in fact he may have been called out on his checked swing. To my eye, things look fairly calm until Young appears to be saying something to the umpire as he walks toward the first base dugout, and the ejection follows emphatically. I'm hard pressed to see anything obviously wrong with the umpire's call or handling of the situation.http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/index.jsp

According to Peter Gammons, BJ Upton, "the runner who held at first", lit into Young after the game in the clubhouse. Upton is the son of an ACC basketball official and I'm sure the vision of a sports official being assaulted by a flying object really shook him.

[Kaliix]

All you did was show that the union cares about the union by only going with union shops. You proved my point! They don't care about anyone but themselves, the union.

You still haven't answered how you or the union have any right to tell anyone where or how they should work? Why the heck should anyone support your union when you would have nothing to do with anyone who is non-union? (you proved that point yourself with the we only try to use union work when we can AFL-CIO tangent)

You have no way of knowing what would have happened if they couldn't find enough umpires. Even if they shut down some or all of the games, those people are now out of work because of the union! Maybe a labor agreement is reached quickly and maybe it takes weeks or months. So how exactly do you care about them not getting paid when all that works itself out?

If unions have a right to work/strike/negotiate then so does everyone else. Yet you want to usurp the right of any worker who is not a "union" member to earn a paycheck doing whatever job he can doget in what still is a free country. Explain how your degradation of the replacement umpires by calling them scabs works then? They don't have the right to work if you won't?

For the record, I am not totally against unions either. Unions have their place and I have benefited from them being in the work place.

Originally Posted by PWL

You asked how a union cares about other people and I told you. Bring up some valid points that would amount to anything remotely to what is being discussed, and I will gladly read and give them some thought. However, everything you have brought to light so far could be said of the same thing of PBUC toward their employees.

I am not being brainwashed. I have just witnessed the way it works for many years from both sides.

It's not like any strike that ever taken place hasn't affected some one who wasn't directly involved.

So my advice to you is, you can either support the cause or you cannot support the cause. However, if you support the cause these little people who say are getting the shaft would be working with or without the "SCABS".

No "scabs" PBUC caves in and the people work. With "scabs" the games go on and the people work.

As long as we're on the subject, can you tell me why as me myself as one of the little people are having to now pay these outrageous gas prices? I don't think that's fair either. Hey, but what ya' gonna do?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Please let us not compare sports to other occupations. No one goes around yelling at authority figures because a situation does not go their way in real life. Also sports is about the only place where it is acceptable for people to yell at anyone and call them all kinds of names or heckle them because they are with another company (team) or by customers (fans). Also no one said it was acceptable to throw a bat at someone.

Peace

Oh, I beg to differ JRut...I've yelled at a few security guards, even cussed one out last week. I've also raised my voice to a few of my bosses in my days in the military. I've also shown my displeasure with restaurant and store managers.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

I believe the Wheaton Warbler mentioned being shot in the back in his initial post. He loves to twist the facts to justify his errors.

I alluded to Naperville, since it is the largest city in your area. While any police shooting is cause for alarm (good guy or bad), you made it seem like some police are rogue vigilantes. This on the heels of your statement that in real life, people don't argue, cuss and act like Young did. Which way is it? Check the wind and let me know which way you will think.

Young acted like a spoiled punk. His act was not one of negligence, it was of intimidation. He didn't care if the umpire was part of the union or not and his history proves that. He is a coward who would be fined up the *** if he was in the Show.

Speaking of cowards, the AMLU decision to say that this umpire won't be represented in this case are proving that they are clueless and contemptible. The league has multiple videos of the incident and he is a high profile player. It will administer the punishment according to league policy (even though they have never had a case of a bat being thrown in this manner). If the DA chooses to get involved, the umpire will be represented by the county. Young should be more concerned about a civil lawsuit, since this official has not waived his rights to compensation.

[Kaliix]

Au contrare, I don't think it was stupid for them to go on strike. I don't mind that they struck to improve their pay/benefits. I think they could have been smarter about it but who's to say I know when a better time would be. I hope they get more pay and better benefits when all is said and done.

My point all along was that the union is only out for themselves and don't care about anyone else's right to work. Strike if you want, particularly if you think it will be effective and improve your bargaining position. Just don't expect that others, who you would care nothing about otherwise, to not take the jobs you aren't going to do to put money in their pocket. You have no right to tell anyone not involved in your union when or where they can work and you shouldn't degrade them just because they see a job opportunity differently then you do.

And I'll never wear Nike shoes.

Originally Posted by PWL

I'm going to drop it because all you are trying to accomplish is that is okay for some one to do the same job, but not under the same job conditions. You've become one of the many that say they were stupid to go on strike, but I hope they get what they want redundancy. Anyway, the next time you go to the shoe store and buy those over priced pair of Nikes, try and think about the child labor that probably went into making them and how little those kids were paid to make them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Ahhhh, nothing like cop-hating to increase your credibility with normal people-We all respect cop-haters.

Ahhhh another post from the guy that thinks anything said on a website is tragic. One of these days you will realize that anyone looking for credibility here must not have a lot with the people they see every day.

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ahhhh blah blah blah...I hate Cops...blah blah blah

The fact that you are a cop hater makes your usual inane blather that much more impossible to stomach.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Ahhhh another post from the guy that thinks anything said on a website is tragic. One of these days you will realize that anyone looking for credibility here must not have a lot with the people they see every day.

Peace

Why would something tragic or stupid said on a web-site be any less tragic when said in person? They still express the same opinion. The only difference is you can't hide behind a verbal comment like you can hide behind one that's been made in the form of a post.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

The fact that you are a cop hater makes your usual inane blather that much more impossible to stomach.

If you consider what I said as being a "cop hater" (your words not mine) then you either do not ever watch the news or read anything about police behavior by people that have been directly affected by police interactions. It is also clear you do not talk to people off the internet, outside of your community or talk to people that do not look like you regardless of if they are middle class, poor or come from privileged backgrounds. If you did talk to people I just mentioned, you might find that a lot of people are not supportive of every action by police officers or police administration.

I almost forgot you are the same person that thought a common term used in union disputes was offensive. Why should I be surprised by what you are outraged by now?

Peace

[BellevueUMp]

Venturing forth on this one, here are my random thoughts:

Throwing the bat & hitting the umpire was inexcusable, contemptible, unforgivable, (insert negative adverb/adverbs of choice here). Based solely on what I’ve read in this thread, the player has what I’d describe as a significant history of this behavior. I believe those involved in determining the disciplinary action should throw not just the book, but the entire law library aw him, although I know that won’t realistically happen.

After reading the posting that mentioned Mass. assault law (I believe it’s on the second or third page), I wonder what the manager’s reaction would have been if he’d been told his player would be leaving the stadium in a police cruiser instead of the team bus?

The umpire is in need of some good advocacy in this situation, which would otherwise be provided by the umpire’s union. However, the umpire involved was involved because he was working as a replacement during a strike by union umpires. Can’t help but find the dichotomy interesting. Also, I think the union could probably lend some measure of support to the guy without compromising their position or looking weak.

Before continuing, please press and hold the “Suspension of Disbelief” button.

If no umpires had crossed the picket line, I don’t think the incident would have happened because I don’t think the games would have gone on. If coaches or managers had been put behind the plate for the games (and therefore struck by the thrown bat in this game), there would have been a bench-clearing brawl for the record books or some serious “wall-to-wall counseling” in the locker room afterward.

Okay, now back to reality. I think the resolution on this issue is going to swing to one extreme or another. Either that the player will get off lightly on this one and go on to a big-money, big-league career or he’ll be labeled as a cancer to any team who signs him and end up ignored by the majors.

Just my opinion, thanks for the chance to say my bit.

[Clint Lawson]

That was a good pitch! I think they get that pitch all the time in Triple A! Maybe he should call the union president. Never mind....he is not in the union. I dont feel bad for the guy at all.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson

That was a good pitch! I think they get that pitch all the time in Triple A! Maybe he should call the union president. Never mind....he is not in the union. I dont feel bad for the guy at all.

I don't know. The catcher sets up outside, and the glove goes to the outside shinguard. Watch the catchers reaction too. He knows it wasn't a strike. It was bad for all concerned.

Has anyone heard from the PU yet?

[DIV2ump]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...extra.mustard/

Pretty good write up.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Clint Lawson

That was a good pitch! I think they get that pitch all the time in Triple A! Maybe he should call the union president. Never mind....he is not in the union. I dont feel bad for the guy at all.

Funny. I was involved in a teacher's strike twenty=eight years ago. A substitute teacher's car was trashed by a group of otherwise educated people who allowed the emotionalism of the strike and union group-think rule their behavior instead of using their intellect.

I felt very sorry for the substitute, as did most of the rational teachers on strike. We took up a collection and paid for the damage to her car.

No one, union or non union, deserves to be treated like that bat throwing punk treated that umpire. I am disappointed that anyone would approve of what happened.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you consider that blah blah blha cops are bad...blah blah blah I hate Cops Blah Blah Blah PEACE

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