PBUC , J/R, and Evans

[PWL]

Originally posted by SanDiegoSteve
I find it odd that some threads get closed on a drop of a hat, and this one was allowed to survive for 11+ pages. Strange days indeed, most peculiar mama.

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on your head

[SanDiegoSteve]

And we all shine on.

[WhatWuzThatBlue]

The same west coaster was involved in both...hmmmmmmm?

No loss regarding the Earl Woods repeat...it had nothing to do with baseball and this is not a parenting seminar...who cares?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Nor is it a poetry festival, but it resembles one at times. The articles that well-intentioned Tim posted, were only intended to make people think. I repeat, nothing better has been posted on the board lately. If you don't like the subject of a particular thread, then just skip over it, and don't respond. Don't always feel obligated to post something, just because you don't like a topic. In fact, just unplug your computer right now!

[Tim C]

"I repeat, nothing better has been posted on the board lately."

Steve somewhere you have become "the defender of all."

That's too bad.

You come to this site late . . . other people here have much more believability by simply their number of posts, YET, you seem to want to "change" the board to fit your opinion.

People that disagree with you always get comments (kinda like the way I react) from you. Then you argue and argue.

The article Tim posted (across all sites of internet umpires) was a total waste. There are hundreds of articles dealing with patricide and such. The article did not do anthing for the advancement of umpiring. Nothing.

Tim has attempted to take this site where his comfort lies . . . he is a Little League umpire and wants this to be yet another Little League site. Not only that he opened his own site (great reactions from Gary Mcgriff taking BigUmp to the woodshed) so why can't he keep his stuff there.

And you fit his needs.

You claim 3,000 games (how many of those are actually "unpaid baby sitting" i.e. Little League) but you post like a guy that works 10 year olds.

All I ask, rather than continue to criticize, is recognize that guys like WCB and yrs trly just feel that the best way to any answer is a straight line and we do not care if we hurt someones feelings.

This site would be much better if a few people left to never return. (I know, I know . . . you can think of two guys right now.)

HOWEVER, it is a free site and anyone can post whatever they want -- they just better be ready to accept what happens AFTER that post.

Quite crying in your beer and step to the plate.

Tee

[BigUmp56]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tim C
"

The article Tim posted (across all sites of internet umpires) was a total waste. There are hundreds of articles dealing with patricide and such. The article did not do anthing for the advancement of umpiring. Nothing.

How many of those articles dealing with patricide relate directly to baseball Tee? Was this article any less interesting than the thread that turned into a Cubs ~vs~ White Sox thread? I could care less if it interested you or if you thought it was a waste,Tee. I told you before after you sent me another one of your insulting profane e-mails that I don't umpire, or post on umpiring forums to please you. That would be impossible, as you don't ever appear to be pleased with anyone other than yourself. It was of interest to some, including myself. To me, that's all that matters. Also, you are incorrect when you say I posted this article "across all sites of internet umpires." I posted it here, on rec, sports, and my board. Three sites certainly doesn't comprise all of them now does it. Not all umpires that post on internet forums post on, or read multiple boards. You should know this, you post and read post's from several boards. Again, if you don't like it, pass it by. No one is holding your feet to the fire. Problem is, you can't do it, can you. You need to feel good about yourself by putting down others. That's a shame. At times, you can be extremely helpful, then other times you can be the biggset *** on the net.

Tim has attempted to take this site where his comfort lies . . . he is a Little League umpire and wants this to be yet another Little League site.

Here we go again with the Little League bashing. What's your problem with LL? You need to tell me again so I understand why you feel a baseball organization with nearly 200,000 umpires is a bad organization for umpires. Is it because they suggest we do it for free? Is it from a bad experience with the organization personally? The LL regions all hold at least two, one week long umpiring camps each season. They bring in umpires with all levels of experience to instruct in the camp. They pour over rules, mechanics, situations, etc. at the camp. How many other youth organization do that fot their umpires? You need to let me know just what exactly a "Little League" site is. I thought this was an umpiring site without regard to organizational affiliation.


Not only that he opened his own site (great reactions from Gary Mcgriff taking BigUmp to the woodshed) so why can't he keep his stuff there.


How did Gary McGriff take me to the woodshed Tee? It was less than ten days after I started posting a link to my board that he cleaned out the entire basball board and started attatching IP addresses on post's. He made a post on my board asking me to stop spamming his board. I told him I would as long as he changed things. I took *him* to task for allowing such crap to take place on his board. It would appear that it was me who took Gary to the woodshed.

The board I have was started as a reaction to a couple of things. The crap going on at the McGriffs site was just part of it. The other, and probably the most significant reason was some of the nasty posts made by.... well, by you Tee.
I made a post on the ABUA board about your sense of humor. Do you remember that one Tee? After I made the post, I recieved 8 PM's from people applauding me for the post. They all were sick and tired of being bullied by you for not "measuring up." I decide then that I would start another board where we can get along and learn to agree to disagree.
The board is new, and really it is not designed all that good. It's simply a community message board using Google servers. There are 49 umpires registered to date on the board. I take that back, 48 umpires and one Rich Ives.
If and when the board becomes more popular and we get more umpires posting, I may start posting all of the threads I start there. Until then, you'll have to live with me posting in *your* back yard. I won't be bullied by you Tee. You can send me all the nastly childish little profane e-mails you want. You can jump up and down and stop your feet like a child if you want. It won't change a thing. It will only continue to show how childish you are.


All I ask, rather than continue to criticize, is recognize that guys like WCB and yrs trly just feel that the best way to any answer is a straight line and we do not care if we hurt someones feelings.

You need to follow your own advice, Tee. You are the single most critical umpire on the internet. Bar none! You don't answer anything anymore without a snide comment. I started a thread about signs beteween umpires, and you jumped right on with the I looked it up, and we've discussed this blah, blah , blah..... How in the hell was I suposed to know it's been discussed here in the past? The search function is disabled. Even if the search function was enabled, there are some who would still feel this was a good discussion who would otherwise not be looking for it in the archives anyway.

Of course you don't care if you hurt someones feelings. There is no accountibilty for your comments when they're made on line. You wouldn't talk to people like this face to face, or at least you wouldn't talk to me face to face like that. I'd wear you out if you did.

This site would be much better if a few people left to never return. (I know, I know . . . you can think of two guys right now.)


Hmmmmm.... Let me guess!

HOWEVER, it is a free site and anyone can post whatever they want -- they just better be ready to accept what happens AFTER that post.

It works both ways, Tee. Some of us can accept the fact that they're wrong at times, and admitt it. Others ego's are way to big to allow that to ever happen.


Tim.

[Tim C]

Edited because some people aren't worth the effort.

Tee

[Edited by Tim C on Dec 2nd, 2005 at 11:15 AM]

[BigUmp56]

Go look on the ABUA board again, Tee. It's not the same article.


If you weren't so self involved you'd have read it and know that you once again have your facts wrong.

Tim.

[GarthB]

He (Gary McGriff) made a post on my board asking me to stop spamming his board. I told him I would as long as he changed things.

Let me understand this. Gary made, from what I read, a polite request that you quit advertising another board on his board. Seems to be a reasonable request.

But, you say you agreed to do so only if he met certain conditions of your making?

Amazing. Truly effin' amazing.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally posted by Tim C
"I repeat, nothing better has been posted on the board lately."

Steve somewhere you have become "the defender of all."

That's too bad.

You come to this site late . . . other people here have much more believability by simply their number of posts, YET, you seem to want to "change" the board to fit your opinion.

People that disagree with you always get comments (kinda like the way I react) from you. Then you argue and argue.

The article Tim posted (across all sites of internet umpires) was a total waste. There are hundreds of articles dealing with patricide and such. The article did not do anthing for the advancement of umpiring. Nothing.

Tim has attempted to take this site where his comfort lies . . . he is a Little League umpire and wants this to be yet another Little League site. Not only that he opened his own site (great reactions from Gary Mcgriff taking BigUmp to the woodshed) so why can't he keep his stuff there.

And you fit his needs.

You claim 3,000 games (how many of those are actually "unpaid baby sitting" i.e. Little League) but you post like a guy that works 10 year olds.

All I ask, rather than continue to criticize, is recognize that guys like WCB and yrs trly just feel that the best way to any answer is a straight line and we do not care if we hurt someones feelings.

This site would be much better if a few people left to never return. (I know, I know . . . you can think of two guys right now.)

HOWEVER, it is a free site and anyone can post whatever they want -- they just better be ready to accept what happens AFTER that post.

Quite crying in your beer and step to the plate.

Tee

Nobody crying here, bossman.

You may answer straight line, but Windy does not. You quit defending him.

Tim has every right to post whatever he wants. I know you have disgust for all Little League umpires, and you designed this site for 90ft. umpires, but lighten up, Mr. Anal. There is plenty of room for everyone here. This is by far the best forum for discussion out there, but it won't be if you exclude people based on the level that they work. As I have said ad nauseum, the level you work is not necessarily indicative of your ability. I know D1 guys who should not be working JV high school ball.

Some of your posts are no great shakes either, buddy. Sometimes your posts are infantile and pathetic, especially when doing nothing more than bashing others.

No, my 3,000+ games only include a small amount of Little League, mostly in my first year of umpiring. I was considered a very good umpire almost from day one, and was working varsity high school regularly from my second year on. I also worked many Legion games, Palomino games, and Adult baseball. The only reason I don't do college ball is because our association fumbled away the contract the season before I was to get a look. I have never worked an unpaid game in my baseball career, other than the pre-season scrimmages we are required to work. My volume of games is high because I worked nearly year round, averaging 175 to 200 games per year, for the first 17 years. I have slowed down a bit due to some health problems. You say I post like I work 10 year olds. What the hell does that even mean? I think my posts are usually either A)well thought out, B)an attempt at humor, or C)standing up for what I believe in, including coming to someone's defense when I feel they have been unfairly maligned. I have no idea why that relates to working 10 year old's ball games, but I guess in your little world, taking a stand equates to working on a 60ft. diamond.

I don't pick the fights around here. I don't as you say, argue and argue. I will speak my mind, and stand up for myself when challenged (which is constantly, but only by several individuals), or talked down to in any way. Like now for example. You talk to me like your the big bad voodoo daddy around here, and the rest of us (who have respect for other people's opinions) are just peons. You are the king, and we are but your subjects. Heaven forbid we dare to disagree with anything you have to say.

Is this what you meant by stepping up to the plate? You send any pitch my way, and see if I don't knock it out of the park!

[LDUB]

Originally posted by BigUmp56
Not all umpires that post on internet forums post on, or read multiple boards. You should know this, you post and read post's from several boards.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason some people don't post/read other forums is because of the content of those forums?

The things guys like you post on other forums chase people away. If people here wanted to know about what the latest bad parent story is, they would to to your Google forum. You fail to see that each forum is different, and that certain types of posts should only be made on certain forums.

[BigUmp56]

Yes, Mr. Benham, that's exactly what happened. I have no regrets at all about doing what I did. I had sent Mr. McGriff numerous e-mails asking him to at least take a look at what was going on between umpires on the board. It was a disgrace to anyone who calls himself/herself an umpire. He only responded by telling me he had no intention of changing thing's. This was and still is a public forum were talking about. Anyone, including my children could read the board.

There were rules questions posted by some individuals who were obviously looking for help. For the most part, all they read after their post was hate filled rhetoric and profane filth of all kinds. To me, that was unacceptable. I felt they deserved to have their questions answered or discuss any baseball related issue without fear of the nonsense that was going on being showered on them. I certainly couldn't point them to this site to have their question answered, now could I. Some of you would have jumped all over them for posting questions you felt were beneath you. I'm not trying to sugar coat thing's on my board, but at the same time, I'm not going to allow any of the crap that was taking place on that board to occur. On this board, we can disagree with one another one day, and then agree on another while still being civil. There, unless things were changed, that was never going to happen.

I've not even covered all the homophobic or race related hatred spewed out on his forum. It must have finally gotten his attention when I began to pull some of the regular decent posters away from the site by posting my link. He decided to acquiesce and change things. I'll do it again in a heart beat if it returns to the way it was. We deserve better than that as officials.


Tim.

[GarthB]

Originally posted by BigUmp56

Yes, Mr. Benham, that's exactly what happened. I have no regrets at all about doing what I did. I had sent Mr. McGriff numerous e-mails asking him to at least take a look at what was going on between umpires on the board. It was a disgrace to anyone who calls himself/herself an umpire. He only responded by telling me he had no intention of changing thing's. This was and still is a public forum were talking about. Anyone, including my children could read the board.

There were rules questions posted by some individuals who were obviously looking for help. For the most part, all they read after their post was hate filled rhetoric and profane filth of all kinds. To me, that was unacceptable. I felt they deserved to have their questions answered or discuss any baseball related issue without fear of the nonsense that was going on being showered on them. I certainly couldn't point them to this site to have their question answered, now could I. Some of you would have jumped all over them for posting questions you felt were beneath you. I'm not trying to sugar coat thing's on my board, but at the same time, I'm not going to allow any of the crap that was taking place on that board to occur. On this board, we can disagree with one another one day, and then agree on another while still being civil. There, unless things were changed, that was never going to happen.

I've not even covered all the homophobic or race related hatred spewed out on his forum. It must have finally gotten his attention when I began to pull some of the regular decent posters away from the site by posting my link. He decided to acquiesce and change things. I'll do it again in a heart beat if it returns to the way it was. We deserve better than that as officials.


Tim.

Wow. You really believe Gary changed his board because of your infantile threat.

And you believe you have the right to advertise your board on competitor's boards.

What color is the sky in your world?

[BigUmp56]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LDUB
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BigUmp56

Did it ever occur to you that the reason some people don't post/read other forums is because of the content of those forums?

No, Luke I didn't until I posted a link to the article a few days ago. I thought it might spark a discussion between some of us. As umpires, we've all seen OTT parents and coaches. As the baseball season is in hibernation right now, there's not much else to discuss. Personally, I enjoy hearing some of the war stories you guys tell. This article was intended to create some of those type discussions.

The things guys like you post on other forums chase people away.

How in the heck is a post about an OTT parent supposed to drive anyone away, Luke. If they don't like it, they don't have to even click on the link and open it up. All they need to do is click on that little "go" button at the bottom of the page and move on to the next thread.


If people here wanted to know about what the latest bad parent story is, they would to to your Google forum.

This was not just a common bad parent story, Luke. Did you even bother to read it or are you just trying to pile on because you think it's the best thing for you to do?


You fail to see that each forum is different, and that certain types of posts should only be made on certain forums.


Why do you feel they all need to be so different? Are you suggesting that you would support some type of segregation on these boards? We all do the same thing, Luke. We're umpires. We may not all do it the same way, but we all still umpire. That gives us a common bond, doesn't it?

Tim.

[Jurassic Referee]

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