Old Time Religion - Judgement Calls

Warren Willson · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 17, 2001, 03:19pm

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Originally posted by BJ Moose

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Originally posted by Ump20

Any umpires decision which involves judgmentis final (Fed 10-1-3, NCAA 3-6f, OBR 9.02a) Those simple words mean exactly what they say. The result: When the umpire announces a judgment decision by rule the call cannot be changed

Ye Gods! Disclaimer: I am NOT re-entering this silly argument over semantics... however, let's be clear, I (and others) will continue to argue the LEGAL vs ILLEGAL point.

It is NOT illegal.

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TYPING SAVER: this is NOT a mechanics argument... we all know its a @#% up sitch... but it is LEGAL. (aka - No Protest).

OBR 2.00 Definition of ILLEGAL "Illegal (or illegally) is contrary to these rules."

OBR 9.02(a) "Any umpire's decision which involves judgement ... is final."

Referee Magazine November 1992 "...a judgement decision by rule cannot be changed..."

The only two exceptions to this are also specifically mandated by rule. They are check swings, OBR 9.02(c)Note, and conflicting decisions by two or more umpires, OBR 9.04(c).

Moose, those are the rules. ILLEGAL does NOT mean protestable. The rules specify precisely what ILLEGAL means. If all judgement decisions where legally able to be changed, there would be no need for two specific rules setting out that those decisions can be changed in certain unique circumstances.

You have LOST THE ARGUMENT. For crying out loud, GIVE IT UP! To do otherwise is to ignore reality.

Cheers,