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Originally posted by Bfair
Warren Willson (quoted):
OBR 2.00 Definition of ILLEGAL "Illegal (or illegally) is contrary to these rules."
OBR 9.02(a) "Any umpire's decision which involves judgement ... is final."
Referee Magazine November 1992 "...a judgement decision by rule cannot be changed..."
Carl's complete list of 5 would not fall within this reasoning, Warren. However, you support Carl's list of 5.
As Dave points out, you are remaining inconsistent in your logic and arguments. Not surprising as of late. You will have difficult time winning this argument while remaining consistent. Please decide which you will choose to do.
Just my opinion,
Steve
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Steve,
Please see the latest thread started by Carl Childress that once again treats the five exceptions that allow such a reversal. In there I actually quoted a play in the American League Playoffs of 1986 that seems to be contrary to the list as presented by Carl (that does not make it only Carl's List). I show this example not because I think that judgment calls once rendered can legally be reversed or that I think Carl is wrong. I do so only because this ONE MLB situation seems to do contradict the famous List of 5. I don't do so to tell Carl he's wrong but only because he has considerable knowledge and may have talked to Richie Garcia about this actual play. I don't umpire by the Carl Childress or Warren Wilson school but you can be darn sure what they have told me over the years has made me a better official, at least a more confident one. I think they have helped countless others
I am dismayed when posters look for snipets of language that might refute or at least reflect on the credibility of some real craftsman. If I followed that logic I would point out that we have a TV news photograper who comes to his son's games. On disputed calls we use his camera to make sure we get calls RIGHT. Why do we do this? Because one time a MLB umpire did the same thing. I would exclude the fact that he was told don't do it again. If you want to bring videotape replay into your league you could do so. That does not make it official or legal but it might help final calls.
My whole intention in posting the reference from an umpire article from 1992 is that I have been conversant with the legality or lack thereof in reversing calls for some time. It was not so much to support Carl or Warren (they sure don't need me to do that) but it was meant to try to get some people to look beyond WHO was posting and look at the WHAT they were saying. Jim/NY