Great job

[Sal Giaco]

WCB,
I agree with you as well. Compliments from officials in general, regardless if they work the sport or not, are nice to hear. The only one's I take with a grain of salt are from a player/coach from the WINNING team. Although I certainly don't stick around after the game for pats on the back, it's nice if you pass by the LOSING manager as you're exiting the field and he says "nice job back there". The reality is we are in a thankless advocation and if we judge our performance by the compliments we receive as we leave the field, I would have quit 13 yrs ago

[mcrowder]

I GUARANTEE they did not huddle 6 umpires to decide where to put Jeter. These guys are Major League Umpires. I'm sure that they ALL knew the rule and where to put Jeter.

They huddled before making the decision. I don't know why it took all 6, but maybe they have decided that if 2 need to huddle to discuss a possible change, that all should, to get input from as many people as possible.

PS - I think the RFU likely had a decent view of the play as well.

[SouthGARef]

And I'll disagree with you--even though I'm ignorant on baseball umpiring.

A good example is two friday nights ago our crew had a weird enforcement on a penalty in a varsity football game. Our WH knew the enforcement, our Umpire knew the enforcement, and the WH threw the flag. But they still called the rest of us in, and discussed it just to make sure we were ALL in agreement and ALL on the same page. Maybe it's different in baseball, but who knows. Even though these guys are the best umpires they can find--they're prone to making mistakes (see Tampa Bay v. Indianapolis MNF last year).

What other reason would they have for calling all six umpires together?

[WindyCityBlue]

"Hey, check out the hottie in section 104!"

"Candlesticks make great wedding gifts."

Don't worry about being a football guy who isn't sure what is happening on the baseball field, it has yet to stop Jeff Rutledge.







...that baby is outta here!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue


Don't worry about being a football guy who isn't sure what is happening on the baseball field, it has yet to stop Jeff Rutledge.

You and Bob Lyle. Just a coupla class acts.

[JRutledge]

Windy,

I will put my reputation as an official up against what people think of you any day.

Peace

[mcrowder]

SouthGA - you had, as you say, a WEIRD situation, and gathered to make sure you all agreed on the enforcement.

Last night, they had a very normal, very standard enforcement. Interference by the batter-runner is extremely easy to enforce, and they did NOT need to huddle to talk about that. I'm sure the huddle was of the "what did you see" variety.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by mcrowder
Last night, they had a very normal, very standard enforcement. Interference by the batter-runner is extremely easy to enforce, and they did NOT need to huddle to talk about that. I'm sure the huddle was of the "what did you see" variety.

Maybe that is what Sandy Alderson wants them to do. I do agree that it might not be the best procedure, but I can see why they did it. I heard the situation on Radio and know there was some argument from the teams. Was it possible they were huddling to prevent things getting out of hand because of an argument?

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

Jurassic,
That post never mentioned you..why would you respond except to throw a stone and run. You are as guilty as anyone of mucking up the swimming hole.

Jeff Rutledge,
Let's put your reputation up against mine. Who am I?
You seem to be pretty certain lately. Throw my name out there and I'll throw my resume up here for all to say. It seems that more than a few people would be interested. Come on, put your money where your mouth is.

Secondly, I took a chance in publishing a risque new mechanic and asking my colleagues to give it a try. From the get go, you've argued that it goes against everything you've been taught, shown and talked about. Well, enough people have now seen that I actually knew what I was talking about for the last eight months and we have yet to see one post that shows a logical stance from you. As our democratic Presidential candidate said, "It's one thing to be certain. It's another to be certain and wrong." You were challenged earlier to provide evidence to bolster your claims. I'm still waiting. We're still waiting.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Jurassic,
That post never mentioned you..why would you respond except to throw a stone and run. You are as guilty as anyone of mucking up the swimming hole.

Jeff Rutledge,
Let's put your reputation up against mine. Who am I?
You seem to be pretty certain lately. Throw my name out there and I'll throw my resume up here for all to say. It seems that more than a few people would be interested. Come on, put your money where your mouth is.

Secondly, I took a chance in publishing a risque new mechanic and asking my colleagues to give it a try. From the get go, you've argued that it goes against everything you've been taught, shown and talked about. Well, enough people have now seen that I actually knew what I was talking about for the last eight months and we have yet to see one post that shows a logical stance from you. As our democratic Presidential candidate said, "It's one thing to be certain. It's another to be certain and wrong." You were challenged earlier to provide evidence to bolster your claims. I'm still waiting. We're still waiting.

Windy, you've very conveniently forgotting that our old argument was whether a basketball official could OVERRULE another basketball official. You said that they could OVERRULE! Now you go ahead and try and apply that same philosophy to the situation last night. If Randy Marsh said that he DIDN'T miss that call, could Joe West have OVERRULED Marsh? Somehow I don't think so. Neither Jeff or myself ever said that the officials shouldn't get together, and the calling official shouldn't change his call to get it right if he wasn't sure of his call, and got new info. We both said that you couldn't overrule another official in basketball though. Quit trying to re-write history to bolster your arguments.

As for the name-calling, you're doing it to Jeff Rutledge again- see your post in this thread of 3:03pm today. And again, you did it with no justification, just like Bob Lyle did in another post. You two are a good pair when it comes to that type of unprofessional behaviour. Jmo, whether either of you like it or not.

PS- the word is "risky", not "risque".

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Jurassic,
That post never mentioned you..why would you respond except to throw a stone and run. You are as guilty as anyone of mucking up the swimming hole.

Jeff Rutledge,
Let's put your reputation up against mine. Who am I?

I have been saying that for a long time.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
You seem to be pretty certain lately. Throw my name out there and I'll throw my resume up here for all to say. It seems that more than a few people would be interested. Come on, put your money where your mouth is.

I really do not care what your resume is in baseball. All I know is that no one thinks you are the person you claim to be. Remember, you stated your association affiliation and have given some idea where you live. It is not hard for those around to figure out there is no one with that resume. And having said that, there are a lot of guys that work Minor League ball, but there is no one that claims to have the resume of both Minor League ball and D1 ball at the same time. Maybe they are wrong, but they sure do not see anyone that even comes close to that. Talk to them, not me. I am just repeating what I have been told and what I have experienced.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Secondly, I took a chance in publishing a risque new mechanic and asking my colleagues to give it a try. From the get go, you've argued that it goes against everything you've been taught, shown and talked about.

I guess reading is fundamental. I have never said it goes against everything I have been taught nor does it go against my philosophy on officiating as a whole. And considering that I work 3 sports, I can think of many examples that I have applied the "get it right" philosophy in all those sports in this calendar year. And in baseball I had to use that mechanic several times to help partners and them helping me. Not sure what part of your body you pulled that out of.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
Well, enough people have now seen that I actually knew what I was talking about for the last eight months and we have yet to see one post that shows a logical stance from you.

I would be careful who you seem to look to as supporting your position. I see few people telling you that you share their point of view. I think the bottom line is you have never listened to anyone else's point of view but your own and really have not understood what anyone else has said. The very reason you have been laughed off the other boards when trying to use your "baseball logic" to the other sports. But this has been an interesting debate.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
As our democratic Presidential candidate said, "It's one thing to be certain. It's another to be certain and wrong." You were challenged earlier to provide evidence to bolster your claims. I'm still waiting. We're still waiting.

Waiting for what? You keep referencing the pros as if that is the standard we all should follow. Well considering that logic does not apply to any other sport that I am aware of, you keep talking about the pros as if that applies to the two man most of us work on a Spring afternoon. You are talking about the MLB playoffs that have 6 umpires to get together as compared to two umpires with less than 10 years combined and how they should handle similar situations. I have always stated and they followed the exact same procedure that I have advocated. The calling umpires asked for help and they got it. They also had a fellow umpires that were in position to help them out. If in the A-Rod situation, it is very possible in a 2 man system, most PU would not even be able to help out the base umpire on that exact call if he needed the help. The only sport that I work that we could have a similar discussion about what the pros do as it relates to what the amateurs do is basketball. I work 3 Person in HS just like the pros. And even in basketball we many mechanical differences and rules difference that apply. So if you want to compare MLB to HS baseball that is your prerogative. I just think that is a very silly comparison and you seem to be the main person thinking that works. I do not have to work with you, so I really do not care what you do.

Peace

[rulesmaven]

With regard to what happened during the huddle, if anyone has tivo, take a look.

What I saw was a couple of seconds into the huddle, one of the umpires (it was not West or Marsh; I think it was actually Nelson) made a gesture toward the dugout and appeared to say something like "so [Jeter] goes back" and you couldn't see the rest.

I turned immediately to my wife and said, "A Rod is out; their talking about putting Jeter at first." They continued to caucus for a while, but at least the way I saw it Marsh had announced his revised call very quickly and the huddle continued, at least in part to discuss the distinction in the rule between a TOP resoration and the BR failing to reach first.

[Bob Lyle]

Originally posted by JRutledge
Windy,

I will put my reputation as an official up against what people think of you any day.

Peace

I'll put my money on Rut, but this is like Martha Stewart saying she is not as bad as Enron chairman Ken Lay. What kind of misfit would want to brag about that?

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Bob Lyle
I'll put my money on Rut, but this is like Martha Stewart saying she is not as bad as Enron chairman Ken Lay. What kind of misfit would want to brag about that?

Bob,

You are like the George Bush trying to tell other countries about morality and freedom. There is a reason they do not listen to him and there is a reason I do not listen to your sorry behind either.

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

Jurassic,
Your basketball example has already worn thin on all of us here. Others have already pointed that out, but you can't figure it out.

The word is "risque". It is a cultured way of turning a simple phrase. I believe that if you were to ever leave your double wide, you may find that the world now has color TV and your Klan membership is a bad thing! Judging people and then chastising others for doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical. JMHO


I'm still waiting to weigh my reputation and resumé (the French way, Jurassic) against our you Rut. Bob Jenkins seemed to have a pretty good grasp of the identity crisis. I suggest that you query him if you stack up on the field. You'll probably want to be sitting down, though.

Now, let's get back to baseball.