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SouthGARef Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:23pm

I don't do baseball (only football and basketball), but you've got to applaud the job done tonight by the ALCS crew. Great job all around.

Peruvian Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:27pm

WOW! They reversed Marsh's no-call to interference, which was EXACTLY the right call. Marsh was screened by Mientcivich's body and he couldn't see A-Rod's action.

Bush league move by A-Rod.

cmckenna Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:29pm

A-hole... i mean A-rod should have been ejected

Atl Blue Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:31pm

I hope Windy was watching!
 
NO ONE reversed anything until Marsh came to West and asked for help.

Marsh made the original call. He was obviously screened, but it was his call and he made it. Joe West and ALL of the other umpires stayed out of it, until Francona came out. He tried to go to West, who sent him to Marsh. Marsh then called West over and got help. Then Marsh called A-Rod out.

EXACTLY the way it should be done. No ump jumped in on Marsh's call. Marsh asked for help, got it, and changed his own call.

Joe West did not come offer help until asked, even though he saw something Marsh did not. And even though other umps saw something (or they would not have convinced Marsh), the PU did not make the changed call, the ump that made it did it.

Well done.

And McCarver still butchered the description of the play and the rule.

Peruvian Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:32pm

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Originally posted by cmckenna
A-hole... I mean A-rod should have been ejected.
In any other non-playoff game, I might say that also (not sure if I could get an ejection in the pros.) In fact, in a game last year with the Braves and (?), Robert Fick was ejected for the very same thing, although that was a regular season game.

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Well done.
What he said :)

Atl Blue Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:36pm

Ficke's actions went FAR beyond what A-Rod did. Cox even sat Ficke down for his actions that day. Ficke did not slap the ball out of F3's hand, Ficke grabbed an outstretched arm and bent it backward.

Yes, A-Rod should be called out, but I don't think his actions came anywhere near ejection. He did not try to harm anyone, he tried to knock the ball loose. Sure, it was illegal, and he should be out. But he slapped at a glove, he didn't throw a forearm shiver at an opponent.

I hate the Yankees and not even I would have EJed A-Rod.

Peruvian Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:40pm

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I hate the Yankees and not even I would have EJed A-Rod.
LOL!..

Hey, I'm from Huntsville and I'll be in ATL next Wednesday for the Queensryche show. It should be fun.

jpc2119 Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:47pm

Definately a great job by this veteran crew.

A-rod is nothing more than a $250 cheater

mrm21711 Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:21pm

Kudos to the crew.

Also props to Jeff Kellogg, doing a great job during a 6 hour marathon behind the plate Monday night.

Rich Ives Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:25pm

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Originally posted by Atl Blue
Ficke's actions went FAR beyond what A-Rod did. Cox even sat Ficke down for his actions that day. Ficke did not slap the ball out of F3's hand, Ficke grabbed an outstretched arm and bent it backward.

Yes, A-Rod should be called out, but I don't think his actions came anywhere near ejection. He did not try to harm anyone, he tried to knock the ball loose. Sure, it was illegal, and he should be out. But he slapped at a glove, he didn't throw a forearm shiver at an opponent.

I hate the Yankees and not even I would have EJed A-Rod.

He was going to be out anyhow - worth a shot.

Marsh signaled safe to mean "no tag" and the announcers wondered why he was calling safe when A-Rod hadn't touched first. Maybe the umps should demand announcer training in their next contract negotiations.

Peruvian Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:28pm

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Marsh signaled safe to mean "no tag" and the announcers wondered why he was calling safe when A-Rod hadn't touched first. Maybe the umps should demand announcer training in their next contract negotiations.
Well, I think the 'announcers' can get a mulligan here as it was Lieter [read: player], not McCarver or Buck, who wondered why he called him safe. McCarver quickly, and correctly, said he signaled 'safe' to mean 'no tag'.

Sal Giaco Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:01am

I guess the "Get it Right" philosophy is working. My only question is C.C. Randy Marsh said in a press conference after the game that "the runner(s) must return to the base occupied at the time of the interference". If that's the case, why did Jeter get put back on first base rather than second base. It look like Jeter was already at second base by the time Arroyo attempted to tag Rodriguez (after all, it was a slow roller that Arroyo was going to flip the ball to first base when he realized that Mienkiewtz (sp?) was off the bag - he then reached to tag A-Rod). Anybody see or got anything different???

William Musick Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:25am

The "return to base occupied at time of interference" clause applies only if the runner in question has already achieved first base. In this case the interfernce occurred before the batter-runner reached first, thus the runner is returned to the last occupied base.

kbaerslt Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:28am

When the interference happened had all runners including the batter runner reached one base? No, that is why Jeter got sent back to first.

On the other hand when a team screws up like that, we need to punish them with the worst penalty.

I might be wrong but I am sticking to it.

GarthB Wed Oct 20, 2004 01:02am

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Originally posted by jpc2119
Definately a great job by this veteran crew.

A-rod is nothing more than a $250 cheater

You mean a $250,000,000 cheater.


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