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OBR 8.05...if there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when- (b)The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw;
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I don't have my rulebook in front of me, and Dixie's website is very limited. I'm just going by my own experiences. I've never seen a balk to second either, it's just hypothetical.
They have been calling balk like crazy this season, and I guess I'm just confused on the issue. My understanding is that the pitcher must pitch from the stretch when there are baserunners, and once he is set, he must pitch or throw to a base, unless he steps off the rubber, in which case he can fake a throw... Now if this is wrong, I'm even more confused....
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Rule 8.05 is listed to the relevant portion below. The relevant portion is A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps. OBR 8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when_ (a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery; If a left-handed or right-handed pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitcher's rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick off play. (b) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw; (c) The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base; Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk. A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps....
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"A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps...."
???? Uh, ok... So he steps but doesn't have to throw, but he has to throw because he steps.... ???? I give up.....
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It isn't really that hard, coach.
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They have them all online. Dixie used them with the few exceptions that are listed in the Dixie rule book. With runners on, the F1 may pitch from the windup or the stretch. If he chooses to pitch from the stretch, as mentioned above, he can throw to any base (must step toward the base first) or feint to second or third. If he steps to throw to first and is in contact with the rubber, then he must "throw the ball." That's not really that hard I don't think. Thanks David
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We play Dixie here Garth and its OBR.
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I noticed the reference to 1B. It's just confusing the way it's worded. So, a pitcher can fake to any base except first as long as they step toward the base?
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I know you guys must get frustrated with a rookie like myself, but I'm just a volunteer coach trying to learn as much as I can.
I have been told by more than one ump that in Dixie Boys, you MUST pitch from the stretch with baserunners. Which only makes sense, but they are very strict in teaching the boys proper form. We have a kid on our team who is a great pitcher, but a few years back he was in an auto accident and has pins in his legs and a plate in his hip. It is difficult for him to pitch from what they consider the stretch, and he is constantly getting called on balks...
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Will - not sure why you'd say the Dixie website is not helpful - it has a full copy of the rulebook on line (unlike other books).
There is NO rule in the Dixie rulebook that says the pitcher MUST pitch from the set position with runners on base. Here's the bizarro rule regarding balks (quote this one to your next ump!) in Dixie Baseball. 8.05 - NO PENALTY: Any pitch or any action by the pitcher construed as a balk by the umpire shall be declared a no pitch. The ball is dead and no runner shall advance. Strangely, it also DOES NOT mention that feinting a throw to 1st base without throwing is a balk. (And with no penalty, who cares if it does, except for the dead ball). As mentioned many times, Dixie does NOT use OBR, and Dixie rules are a mess.
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It has a rules index, but it only hits on major topics. For instance, the only rules concerning the pitcher are about the number of innings one can pitch... Nothing more... (Unless there's some sort of backdoor link not listed)
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