The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jun 17, 2018, 08:35am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 81
Collision at first

NFHS: 2 out. F4 and BR collide at first at the same time, however it is a force out, so once F4 touches the bag, the runner is out, correct? Regardless if there is a collision, F4 had control at the initial contact of 1B, and *boom* inning over. Right?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jun 17, 2018, 09:28am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by BSBAL18 View Post
NFHS: 2 out. F4 and BR collide at first at the same time, however it is a force out, so once F4 touches the bag, the runner is out, correct? Regardless if there is a collision, F4 had control at the initial contact of 1B, and *boom* inning over. Right?
Do you mean that the fielder dropped the ball on the play? Otherwise what's the issue?

BTW - it isn't a force. It has the same effect on the B-R but it isn't one.
__________________
Rich Ives
Different does not equate to wrong
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jun 17, 2018, 02:20pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 81
Yes, sorry, the fielder dropped the ball upon colliding with the runner, however the base umpire said the collision happened after the fielder made contact with first base (very quickly, but still was AFTER F4 foot touched bag).
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jun 17, 2018, 03:42pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by BSBAL18 View Post
Yes, sorry, the fielder dropped the ball upon colliding with the runner, however the base umpire said the collision happened after the fielder made contact with first base (very quickly, but still was AFTER F4 foot touched bag).
From the OBR Definitions:

A TAG is the action of a fielder in touching a base with his body
while holding the ball securely and firmly in his hand or glove; or touching
a runner with the ball, or with his hand or glove holding the ball (not
including hanging laces alone), while holding the ball securely and
firmly in his hand or glove. It is not a tag, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his touching a base or touching a runner, the
fielder drops the ball.
In establishing the validity of the tag, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball. If the fielder has made a tag and drops the ball while in the act
of making a throw following the tag, the tag shall be adjudged to have
been made.
__________________
Rich Ives
Different does not equate to wrong
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:45pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 81
so for NFHS, i found this

"A force-out is a putout during which a runner who is being forced to advance
is tagged out, or is put out by a fielder who holds the ball while touching the base toward which the forced runner is advancing"

Now you stated that the BR running to first is *NOT* considered a force out, but all other rules discuss the "tag" of the player while not on the base. So if NFHS wants to apply this rule to 1st, then it doesnt go further into "controlling the ball" like the OBR reference does.

So from OBR, he would be safe, but NFHS doesnt go into that detail and i only found the above reference.

So my game (being NFHS) i *believe* he would be out, and OBR he would be safe.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jun 18, 2018, 07:23am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 17,120
Different experts at different times have had different interps on this play, recognizing that "tagging a base" is different from "tagging a runner." No idea where this stands now -- maybe a recent BRD has some info (the last version I had had one ruling for FED and conflicting rulings for OBR)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Collision at 1B Dakota Softball 25 Sun Jul 16, 2017 07:48pm
Collision or no collision? big poppa 7 Softball 15 Mon May 18, 2015 09:15am
Collision in the Key iref4him Basketball 10 Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:39pm
F2/R1 collision or is it obs? chas Softball 4 Thu Mar 24, 2005 09:08am
Collision at first SF Softball 2 Sun Oct 03, 2004 07:55pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:57pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1