Collision in the Key

[iref4him]

I am working a junior college game last night. White team is running a motion offense. Red team is man to man. Players are flashing and defense is running to keep up. White 32 is coming from the right and Red 10 is coming from the left. Both don't see each other. Their heads are turned and like the Keystone Cops collided in the key. Collide is not the word, but a major crash 911 impact. I had a no call. Both coaches wanted something. Red teach coach wanted illegal screen and White team coach wanted a foul for interfering with his player's movement. Both players were moving. Both players were not looking at the impending impact and did not see each other. It looked bad. Any thoughts??

[GoodwillRef]

Ice!

[GoodwillRef]

I think this might be one of those you had to be there to see it, but sometimes incidental contact can be rough and look ugly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by iref4him

I am working a junior college game last night. ... Any thoughts??

When did you perfect time travel?

[RobbyinTN]

I am not of the belief that every time someone hits the floor there must be a foul called. Some coaches (and of course fans) disagree.

If it is incidental contact let it go. Sounds like you made the right call

Robby

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by iref4him

I am working a junior college game last night. White team is running a motion offense. Red team is man to man. Players are flashing and defense is running to keep up. White 32 is coming from the right and Red 10 is coming from the left. Both don't see each other. Their heads are turned and like the Keystone Cops collided in the key. Collide is not the word, but a major crash 911 impact. I had a no call. Both coaches wanted something. Red teach coach wanted illegal screen and White team coach wanted a foul for interfering with his player's movement. Both players were moving. Both players were not looking at the impending impact and did not see each other. It looked bad. Any thoughts??

No call.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When did you perfect time travel?

Tomorrow.

[Camron Rust]

Sounds like you had it right.

But it really depends. It could have been either a defensive or an offensive foul depending on what else was going on. Not seeing the other player is not necessarily grounds for it being incidental.

If the contact served as a screen (even unintentionally) that allowed a teammate to score by keeping the defender from making it to the shot, I'd call it as such.

If the contact prevented the offensive player from receiving a pass...perhaps the pass was made but missed and lost OOB, I'd call it a foul.

[biggravy]

Double foul anyone?



I'm not advocating that, just throwing it out for discussion. At that level, play is highly physical and things like this will happen from time to time. As it was written, I have a no call. Would love to see a clip.

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Double foul anyone?

I thought about that myself. I went with the no call but if there is a call, a double foul sounds like it would fit

[chartrusepengui]

I've called a double foul in a sit siimilar to this. It cleaned things up nicely. Everyone started paying attention to where they were going and were not as physical in the paint bumping cutters etc. I have not called a lot of double fouls but every time I have - I can say the outcome was great.