Little League Question

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by john5396

your issue is with a local league rule rather than with a book rule for the slide at home. If the leage rule is must slide, no exceptions, then I applaud the umpire for enforcing as written (it is a bad rule and the league officers should update).

As far as a protest, LL which uses modified OBR along with every other code require a protest be filed before the next play. Leagues also have other local rules regarding protests like requiring a protest fee from the coach, usually refundable if the coach wins the protest, to discourage protesting every little thing.

As far as the being off the base when the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. That is the rule. Coaches coach, umpires are bound to the rules they are given. LL baseball wrote the rule that the runner is out, that creates the teachable moment for the coach to teach. Again, if the local league procedure is for the umpire to give warnings, then so be it.

The teachable moment exists here to motivate you to read the LL baseball rulebook. You quoted most likely a softball ruling. In LL baseball the runner can not leave the base until the pitch reaches the batter and the penalty as already noted is not an out.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by umpjim

The teachable moment exists here to motivate you to read the LL baseball rulebook. You quoted most likely a softball ruling. In LL baseball the runner can not leave the base until the pitch reaches the batter and the penalty as already noted is not an out.

3 posts say the runner is not out.
I don't do baseball (only softball) so what is the penalty?

[Mountaincoach]

Originally Posted by robbie

3 posts say the runner is not out.
I don't do baseball (only softball) so what is the penalty?

Here's a good place to start.

Hey, Blue! – What’s the Red Flag for?

[Mountaincoach]

The issues brought up in this thread are precisely why so many Little League organizations across the country are in turmoil. WAY too many "local" rules that were probably discussed for a grand total of 20 or 30 seconds before a bunch of parents (aka "the board) voted them in. Nobody wants to read the rule book. They just want to make it up as they go along.

[Welpe]

A point of clarification, the OP was a response to a Little League thread that I moved and gave the title "Little League Question". The OP never specified Little League so if there's confusion on this, it's by my own doing.

[falsecut]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

The issues brought up in this thread are precisely why so many Little League organizations across the country are in turmoil. WAY too many "local" rules that were probably discussed for a grand total of 20 or 30 seconds before a bunch of parents (aka "the board) voted them in. Nobody wants to read the rule book. They just want to make it up as they go along.

Here's a softball rule that I've been unable to get our local park district consortium to change: "A batter who swings at a pitch and is hit by the ball in the hands on the swing is not considered a hit by pitch. If the ball is in fair territory, it must be played as a fair ball. If the ball is in foul territory, it is considered a foul ball."

Not only is this contrary to every rule set I ever heard of, but it gives the girl the opportunity of standing at home plate in pain while they throw her out at first. I've tried to get someone to dump this rule for years but can't even figure out who is on the rules committee. I'm guessing but don't know that this came about because some argument ensued sometime about whether the ball hit hands or bat and this is their compromise.



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[MT 73]

Originally Posted by robbie

3 posts say the runner is not out.
I don't do baseball (only softball) so what is the penalty?

The Little League rule book lists something like 13 possibilities when a runner leaves early, depending upon the situation.
None of which call for a runner to be declared out by the umpire.
Life would be simpler if they adopted the softball rule of dead ball, no pitch and runner is out.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by MT 73

The Little League rule book lists something like 13 possibilities when a runner leaves early, depending upon the situation.
None of which call for a runner to be declared out by the umpire.
Life would be simpler if they adopted the softball rule of dead ball, no pitch and runner is out.

It IS simple. Runners can only go as far as pushed by the batter's clean (and safe) advance.

Any outs achieved during the play count.

[john5396]

So, I shouldn't have spoken up about Little Leage and being off base. I haven't work LL in years and was not familiar with the rule. I was commenting based on the OP's comment of the ump calling without the warning.

Unless the rules require a warning like NFHS removal of a helmet during a live ball, coaches and parents should expect one.

[MT 73]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It IS simple. Runners can only go as far as pushed by the batter's clean (and safe) advance.

Any outs achieved during the play count.

Not so simple when the rule list 13 possibilities.
One of which is to disallow a run and remove a runner from 3rd base.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by MT 73

Not so simple when the rule list 13 possibilities.
One of which is to disallow a run and remove a runner from 3rd base.

The other 12 are just various example of runners only going as far as pushed by the batter's clean safe advance. There to answer a coach's "yeah but".