Walk-Off, I think

[MOofficial]

I have a feeling this is correct, however, I would like the rules gurus to post the rule. Please see the link below to the video as I do not know how to imbed videos. Thanks!

MLB Tonight on D-backs' walk-off | MLB.com

[DG]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

I have a feeling this is correct, however, I would like the rules gurus to post the rule. Please see the link below to the video as I do not know how to imbed videos. Thanks!

MLB Tonight on D-backs' walk-off | MLB.com

More likely an interp. If batter reaches 1b and r3 touches home, game over. Walk off hit, outfield playing shallow since any long fly ball scores R3 easily, even if caught, with one out.

[Rich]

The guard / groundskeeper handled the ball.

Now it's an award. Only R3 and the BR have to advance on an award in MLB.

Had the player retrieved it....it would've been Merkle's Boner, 2015 version.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by DG

More likely an interp. If batter reaches 1b and r3 touches home, game over. Walk off hit, outfield playing shallow since any long fly ball scores R3 easily, even if caught, with one out.

So on any batted ball the forced runners don't have to touch their advance base? Or is it any batted ball that everyone agrees is a walk off?
What interp is that?
Actually there is a poorly written rule that only requires the BR and R3 to touch on an award or "other play". That rule then has an interp that it doesn't apply on a batted ball.
Umps got taken off the hook by the security guard.

[JJ]

On an AWARDED base only R3 and the BR need to advance and touch. On a BATTED ball (base hit) EVERYONE needs to advance.

JJ

[DG]

Originally Posted by umpjim

So on any batted ball the forced runners don't have to touch their advance base? Or is it any batted ball that everyone agrees is a walk off?
What interp is that?
Actually there is a poorly written rule that only requires the BR and R3 to touch on an award or "other play". That rule then has an interp that it doesn't apply on a batted ball.
Umps got taken off the hook by the security guard.

Game ending only. MLBUM 4.11 and rule 4.09b in 2014 book, 5.08b in the new recodified 2015 book. On any game ending play, walk, or hit batter with bases loaded R3 must touch home and BR must touch 1b before game ends. Security guard pickup appears irrelevant.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by DG

Game ending only. MLBUM 4.11 and rule 4.09b, although the rule reference is from 2014 book. I don't know where it is in the new recodified 2015 book just yet. If R3 scored and BR touched 1b when guard picked up the ball, he is just cleaning up the field, otherwise fan interference and result is the same.

So when, with 1 out, with bases loaded, a ground ball is hit to F5 and due to convenience, he steps on 3B and throws to the closest base for the force at 2B the runner from third scores because he and the BR touched their proper bases?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by umpjim

So when, with 1 out, with bases loaded, a ground ball is hit to F5 and due to convenience, he steps on 3B and throws to the closest base for the force at 2B the runner from third scores because he and the BR touched their proper bases?

No.

When the winning run is scored in the last half-inning of a regulation game, or in
the last half of an extra inning, as the result of a base on balls, hit batter or any other
play with the bases full which forces the runner on third to advance, the umpire
shall not declare the game ended until the runner forced to advance from third has
touched home base and the batter-runner has touched first base.

Once F5 touches 3B R3 is no longer forced. It then reverts to the normal "run can't score when" exceptions.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DG

Game ending only. MLBUM 4.11 and rule 4.09b in 2014 book, 5.08b in the new recodified 2015 book. On any game ending play, walk, or hit batter with bases loaded R3 must touch home and BR must touch 1b before game ends. Security guard pickup appears irrelevant.

Except for the word "play" ... you are right until the last sentence...

If the security guard doesn't pick up the ball, and a fielder does... all you have is a force out at 2nd base.

[DG]

I think the security guard picking up the ball is not relevant because by the time he did BR has touched 1b and R3 has touched home and game is over.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Except for the word "play" ... you are right until the last sentence...

If the security guard doesn't pick up the ball, and a fielder does... all you have is a force out at 2nd base.

You also might have an appealed force out at 3B if you think R2 missed it before the appeal at 2B.

[Rich]

Yup. When the security guard picked it up....

[Tim C]

DG I'm sorry but you just had a big swing a miss.

The OBR are quite specific in the difference between an awarded bass and runners that are advanced through a hit.

Think Merkel's boner.

rich identified early the issue was completely ball being handled by a Nonplaying employee – that ended any hope of any appeals.

there are many references available concerning the umpires press conference explanaio

[Rich]

Forced runner must advance on a batted ball.


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