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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:36am
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It cannot be disconcertion if the defensive violation occurs after the shot is released. It's just not an option.
I agree. My comment was specific to the Case Book play cited, in which the order is: defender first violates, and then the shooter violates.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:45am
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I agree. My comment was specific to the Case Book play cited, in which the order is: defender first violates, and then the shooter violates.
Fair enough, but the OP doesn't apply to that case play, which is how I read your post.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 10:39am
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Fair enough, but the OP doesn't apply to that case play, which is how I read your post.
So, am I understanding the various sequences properly? --

A1 releases the shot, B1, along the lane violates, A1 violates = dbl violation, free throw voided, alternating possession.

B1, along the lane violates, then A1 releases the shot, then A1 violates = if shot is good, disregard the violations; if free throw is missed = possible disconcertion, or is it always disconcertion and substitute shot?
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:20am
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It cannot be disconcertion if the defensive violation occurs after the shot is released. It's just not an option.

Assuming you believe time is linear
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:50am
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Assuming you believe time is linear
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:08pm
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:12pm
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I've said it before...

Sometimes you have to separate the message from the way it is delivered.

Unfortunately, sometimes you have to take both aspects of the advice and throw it in the garbage.

There are idiots and a-holes everywhere... even in officiating.

Do things the right way. Perhaps you'll miss out on an assignment or two, or might have to wait an extra year or so to move up the ladder, but in the end you'll not only be a better official but you'll be a better person for not going against your morals.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:33pm
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate the advice and backing that "we" got the call right.
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Old Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:51pm
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I've said it before...

Sometimes you have to separate the message from the way it is delivered.

Unfortunately, sometimes you have to take both aspects of the advice and throw it in the garbage.

There are idiots and a-holes everywhere... even in officiating.

Do things the right way. Perhaps you'll miss out on an assignment or two, or might have to wait an extra year or so to move up the ladder, but in the end you'll not only be a better official but you'll be a better person for not going against your morals.
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