The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Volleyball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 04:19pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 123
Flags in high school

We were told at our annual Rules Interprters meeting that Pennsylvania was set to approve the use of flags by line judges starting with the upcoming high school season. The Powers-That-Be have previously prohibitted using flags even after the NFHS made it optional.

Apparently the i's aren't dotted and the t's not crossed yet. The holdup is that they are debating who should supply the flags! Apparently some feel that the school should supply them and some say that the official(s) should bring them. Is it really so hard to say that it doesn't matter? If the school supplies them, fine. If the official brings them, fine. If no one brings them, fine - you don't use any! Isn't that easy?!

In other states, is anyone designated to supply the line judge flags?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 07:54pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,273
Oregon made flag use mandatory last year - the schools are supposed to provide them. That said, I keep a set in my vehicle just in case.....
__________________
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons - for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 10:02pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Menifee,CA
Posts: 860
California does not require use of the flags for its line judges.However lots of official's in my area carry flags with them and when we get those people we use them-otherwise PaRef its just as you say-we use the hand signals.I've found that using the flags improves the quality of lines judges when they are used.It gives the line persons an avenue in which they can get into the game without worrying about mechanics or signals.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 24, 2011, 11:00pm
Resident VB Rules Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Jose, CA - the Capital of Silicon Valley
Posts: 481
Send a message via AIM to MCBear Send a message via MSN to MCBear Send a message via Yahoo to MCBear Send a message via Skype™ to MCBear
As Scal posted, California does not require the use of flags except during the State Championships. Since I referee all three rules sets, I have my own flags that I take with me. If the school has them - great; if they don't, I do.

As was said previously, it doesn't matter who provides the flags. Sounds to me like the powers that be in PA are being overly anal about the whole thing. They seem to have never heard of the "KISS" principal..."Keep It Simple, Stupid!!!!!" They are obviously too busy dotting the t's and crossing the i's!
__________________
Jan G. Filip - San Jose, CA
EBVOA Rules Interpreter Emeritus
NCS Volleyball Officials Coordinating Committee Recorder
CIF State Volleyball State Championships Referee (2005), Scorekeeper (2006-2007) & Libero Tracker (2010)
PAVO State Referee (2014) / PAVO Certified Scorekeeper (2014) / PAVO Certified Line Judge (2012)
USAV Junior National Referee (resigned 2013) / USAV National Scorekeeper (2014)
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 11:42am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 98
Line Judge Flags

I agree that the powers in charge are very anal, but in our chapter, we voted to purchase a set of flags for each school we work. After that, it is the schools responsibility to replace/maintain. If the school doesn't have the flags, we will revert back to the hand signals.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 11:46am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,273
Jan,

I agree - it doesn't really matter who provides them. Reminds me of the old saying that a camel is nothing but a horse that's been designed by a committee...
__________________
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons - for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jul 26, 2011, 02:38am
Resident VB Rules Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Jose, CA - the Capital of Silicon Valley
Posts: 481
Send a message via AIM to MCBear Send a message via MSN to MCBear Send a message via Yahoo to MCBear Send a message via Skype™ to MCBear
Toolman, similar to the definition of an elephant...a mouse built to government specs!!!!
__________________
Jan G. Filip - San Jose, CA
EBVOA Rules Interpreter Emeritus
NCS Volleyball Officials Coordinating Committee Recorder
CIF State Volleyball State Championships Referee (2005), Scorekeeper (2006-2007) & Libero Tracker (2010)
PAVO State Referee (2014) / PAVO Certified Scorekeeper (2014) / PAVO Certified Line Judge (2012)
USAV Junior National Referee (resigned 2013) / USAV National Scorekeeper (2014)
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jul 27, 2011, 01:22pm
Lighten up, Francis.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,667
Quote:
Originally Posted by pavbref View Post
I agree that the powers in charge are very anal, but in our chapter, we voted to purchase a set of flags for each school we work. After that, it is the schools responsibility to replace/maintain.
Good luck with that
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Aug 01, 2011, 07:25pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Tustin, Michigan
Posts: 403
Now that the flag issue is taken care of....maybe we can get some qualified line judges????
__________________
"When I umpire I may not always be right, but I am always final!"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ASA & High School Zepp Softball 10 Fri Dec 17, 2010 09:46am
High School Pay iowasoftballump Softball 31 Wed Jun 18, 2008 09:06pm
My Old High School Big2Cat Basketball 40 Thu Mar 15, 2007 02:14pm
How do you become a high school ref? mdm0922 Wrestling 0 Wed Oct 23, 2002 11:02am
High School Ump Robert G Baseball 3 Thu Jun 21, 2001 04:50pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:52am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1