IR or nothing?

[Scrapper1]

As always, NCAA-W rules.

This situation came up today while I was R2. Visiting team serves and home team loses the rally. So there is a rotation. There was some confusion on the home bench about whether someone was going into the game. The R1 waited a few seconds, then beckoned the serve. Right after the whistle for service, home coach yells, "Yes, sub" and a player steps into the substitution area.

1) At this point, do I have to blow the whistle (since the player came into the substitution area)?

2) Regardless of the answer to #1, I did blow the whistle. So this becomes an improper request, correct? Penalize with a yellow card, warning? And no sub is allowed?

To make it really strange, the "sub" was actually replacing the libero, who had just rotated to the front row. So when I denied the "substitution", they automatically had a position fault.

Did I totally screw the home team? Did they do it to themselves? Or some combo?

Now that I'm thinking about it, could they have taken a time-out and then replaced the libero?

[FMadera]

1. No, you don't have to blow the whistle. Wave it off, play the rally, and administer the IR at the first dead ball.

2. No, once you blow the whistle, it's a team delay warning. No sub allowed.

Since you have a team delay warning, you can fix what would have been an illegal libero replacement. So you should have allowed that, since you've already got a delay assessed. Let them complete the replacement, delay warning, play on with the home team still serving.

[mbyron]

Same for FED?

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Same for FED?

FED doesn't use the team delay system.

Ignore the request for FED. If it is a repeated incorrect procedure, issue a UD. If whistle is blown, UD for the late request, and the replacement can take place at that time.

[Scrapper1]

Ah, crap.

[bob jenkins]

While we're on NCAA-W substitutions:

Team A makes two substitutions. Team B then is granted a time out. At the conclusion of the time out can Team A make additional substitutions? Can Team B make substitutions?

Thanks

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While we're on NCAA-W substitutions:

Team A makes two substitutions. Team B then is granted a time out. At the conclusion of the time out can Team A make additional substitutions? Can Team B make substitutions?

Thanks

Yes.

NCAA 11.2.3.2.6: A team is not allowed to request consecutive interruptions
for substitution until the game has resumed or a legal timeout has
been granted. During a timeout, either team may make any number
of substitution requests. Immediately after a timeout, an additional
substitution request may be made. All substitution requests made
immediately before, during or immediately after a timeout are
administered at the end of the timeout.