The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Volleyball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 26, 2007, 08:35pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In a little pink house
Posts: 5,289
Lost shoe during rally

In my JV match I had a player lose her shoe during a rally. I've never seen that happen before. I let play continue to the end of the rally. Before the next serve I gave her time to quickly put it back on. But it was obvious she was hurrying and didn't want to take time to do a proper job of it. After the next rally, she quickly finished the job (tightened up laces, etc.).

My questions:

1. Should I have allowed play to continue with the shoe on the court?

2. Should I have called an officials time out to allow her time to properly get it back on and secured?
__________________
"It is not enough to do your best; you must know what to do, and then do your best." - W. Edwards Deming
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 27, 2007, 09:14am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 685
I am probably wrong, but:

1. Yes
2. Maybe, Yes

Unless the point is about to end or the shoe is in a place it won't harm anything, I would stop it and replay, since the shoe on the court is a safety issue first and foremost. If we stop play because a ball from a nearby court is in our court, then why even think about not stopping with a hazard on the floor?

2. IMO, I'd hold up my call for serve until she's ready to go. If you don't think she is ready then take an official's TO, and give her 30 seconds to get it done, treat it just like an injury TO.

IMO, ref with the rules and common sense here.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 27, 2007, 12:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sheffield Lake, Ohio
Posts: 340
jkumpire,
I don't think you're wrong - except for the " maybe ".
I would definitely allow time for the shoe to be tied. I often do that. We're not in a race to finish. Safety first - always. How long can it take to tie a shoe. If I thought it was some kind of tactic to delay the game, break momentum, etc., I MIGHT consider disallowing time to tie the shoe. But I just don't see that happening.
Alowing play to continue is fine unless you see the shoe as a hazard for a hitter who may come down on the shoe and possiblly twist an ankle or worse. Then - stop play and explain the circumstance. Again . . . . Safety first. You make the call.
Sounds like you both are on track.
__________________
Tony Smerk
OHSAA Certified
Class 1 Official
Sheffield Lake, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 01, 2007, 01:17pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6
Would it be safe to allow play to continue if a player kicked the shoe off the court (not to the opponents side!)? The obstacle would be gone, but the player is at a disadvantage and could get hurt (stepped on, slip...), so I'm thinking no. But I was in a game once where it was allowed.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 01, 2007, 03:29pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 685
Is it in a playable area?

That would probably determine what I would do. If it is in a place where something could reasonably happen, kill it.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 01, 2007, 06:31pm
Resident VB Rules Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Jose, CA - the Capital of Silicon Valley
Posts: 481
Send a message via AIM to MCBear Send a message via MSN to MCBear Send a message via Yahoo to MCBear Send a message via Skype™ to MCBear
The key is the safety of the players. If there is a possibility that someone could get hurt, you blow the whistle, kill the rally and call a replay.
__________________
Jan G. Filip - San Jose, CA
EBVOA Rules Interpreter Emeritus
NCS Volleyball Officials Coordinating Committee Recorder
CIF State Volleyball State Championships Referee (2005), Scorekeeper (2006-2007) & Libero Tracker (2010)
PAVO State Referee (2014) / PAVO Certified Scorekeeper (2014) / PAVO Certified Line Judge (2012)
USAV Junior National Referee (resigned 2013) / USAV National Scorekeeper (2014)
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Oct 02, 2007, 12:15am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 58
Just because the shoe is off the court does not mean the play is safe. What about the girl jumping up and down without a shoe. She could slip and fall. She could get her foot stepped on. I would kill it. The same as I would if a ball rolled on the court.

If it was a repeated problem, then I would assess a UD and go from there but I have never seen a player intentionally loose a shoe. At least not yet :-)
__________________
[FONT="Arial"]["You must be the change you want to see in the world."-Gandhi/FONT]
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rally caps WinterWillie Softball 21 Wed May 05, 2004 07:53pm
Lost a shoe... whistleone Basketball 45 Sun Feb 15, 2004 09:59pm
NFHS rally scoring PaREF Volleyball 14 Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:22pm
Rally Rules Hoosier Daddy Volleyball 1 Wed Sep 11, 2002 12:16pm
Rally scoring PaREF Volleyball 5 Thu Jul 18, 2002 10:57am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:22pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1