looking for rule reference for 2 situations

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by oldsetter

1. Team A's 1st pass hits the ceiling above their playing space, the ball falls from the ceiling in the vertical plane of the net. A team A and team B player make simultaneous contact with the ball that is in the vertical plane of the net.

call: Ball out on Team A?

Rule number, casebook, anything?

2. Backrow setter on Team A sets ball in the front zone, ball above the height of the net. The net travels into the vertical plane where a Team B player and Team A player simultaneous contact the ball.

call: BRA Team A?

Rule number, casebook, anything?

I think I recall reading or being tested on these questions a long time ago, but have not seen anything recently.

Thanks,

This involves some extrapolation, I guess. Simultaneous contacts carries the assumption that you treat each contact as if each had happened independent of each other (with appropriate faults if need be). If play continues, there is a provision in the rule to indicate who touched it last, but you rule as the contacts occurred at the same time. Therefore...

1 & 2. Treat it as if only the blocker touched it. Only legal if the attacker clearly touched it first legally.

Same concept applies if a third hit travels into the net and a joust occurs. 4 hits because you would treat it as if only the attacker touched it (and also if only the blocker touched it). In this case, the blocker touching it would not be a fault, and we'd be left with the attacker touching it causing 4 hits.

Hope this helps.