Injury "Timeout"

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

The problem is that there has to be a reason to eject. Being a pain all day, while annoying, is not in and of itself a reason to eject a coach. She never acted in an unsportsmanlike manner, but came out to question almost every close call or situation she did not like.

If I spoke Spanish I may have had reason to eject, because I suspect I was sworn at in Spanish a few times. Since I don't speak it I cant be certain if it was swearing or not.

Assuming this was a Fed game, you might want to re-read Rule 3-6-15.

[MD Longhorn]

Well... first - coming out to question almost every close call is unsportsmanlike.

It's not our job to entertain this nonsense from a coach. If someone comes out to dispute something, it had better be, "Blue, I think she pulled her foot on that one - can you ask your partner".

Just coming out to remind you how much he disagrees with a particular call is not acceptable. We might entertain it once, let them go. 2nd time out there, "Coach, we aren't going to argue every single judgement call today." At most, on the 3rd, "Coach, that's enough". Then eject if he goes again.

You SERIOUSLY do not have to deal with this kind of nonsense. And if you do put up with it, that's really on you as the umpire.

I suspect he wasted more by continually coming out than the 2 minutes he was complaining about during the injury you discussed in the OP.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Well... first - coming out to question almost every close call is unsportsmanlike.

It's not our job to entertain this nonsense from a coach. If someone comes out to dispute something, it had better be, "Blue, I think she pulled her foot on that one - can you ask your partner".

Just coming out to remind you how much he disagrees with a particular call is not acceptable. We might entertain it once, let them go. 2nd time out there, "Coach, we aren't going to argue every single judgement call today." At most, on the 3rd, "Coach, that's enough". Then eject if he goes again.

You SERIOUSLY do not have to deal with this kind of nonsense. And if you do put up with it, that's really on you as the umpire.

I suspect he wasted more by continually coming out than the 2 minutes he was complaining about during the injury you discussed in the OP.

Again, the wording of 3-6-15 is key. Questioning a call is not a prohibited act. Arguing the call is. There is a difference and we have been instructed to be mindful of this difference.

With all of that said, yes, she likely did waste more than 2 minutes questioning calls.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Assuming this was a Fed game, you might want to re-read Rule 3-6-15.

You may want to read the wording in 3-6-15. The word I used was question, not argue. There is a difference, and it is a fine line of difference, but it is a difference.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

You may want to read the wording in 3-6-15. The word I used was question, not argue. There is a difference, and it is a fine line of difference, but it is a difference.

The word is not limited to vein-popping, red-faced, dirt kicking arguing. Continually disputing or questioning is arguing.

[Dakota]

You didn't answer my earlier question... was there a time limit on this game?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Dakota

The word is not limited to vein-popping, red-faced, dirt kicking arguing. Continually disputing or questioning is arguing.

Now you sound like my GF. Stop.

No time limit on the game. If there was, it may have impacted a decision on how much time to give, then again maybe not.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Now you sound like my GF. Stop.

No time limit on the game. If there was, it may have impacted a decision on how much time to give, then again maybe not.

If you don't want advice, don't post. Stop.

If it was not a time limit game, then the coach had no basis for questioning how long the injury timeout was. That was the reason for my question.

[UmpireErnie]

And if it was a time limit game the umpire should be able to suspend time for a lengthy injury time out.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Dakota

If you don't want advice, don't post. Stop.I was JOKING.

If it was not a time limit game, then the coach had no basis for questioning how long the injury timeout was. That was the reason for my question.

I had no problem with you asking about a time limit, I think it is a fair question to ask.

[twotakedown]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

You may want to read the wording in 3-6-15. The word I used was question, not argue. There is a difference, and it is a fine line of difference, but it is a difference.

Could it be "unwarranted disputing of decision" as described in 10-2-3f ?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by twotakedown

Could it be "unwarranted disputing of decision" as described in 10-2-3f ?

Possibly, but in fairness to the coach, there were a lot of close plays in this game. I would say there were a lot of plays that from the coaches angle, the call would be different than the angle the umpires have on the play. We did have a lot of close tag plays in this game.

[CajunNewBlue]

hrmmm.. hope I don't have to do anything in "fairness" to the coach.... no telling how I'd act.

[MD Longhorn]

You seem to be arguing in favor of taking more nonsense from coaches than anyone else would. I'm not sure I understand your motivation for that...

Also ... if you think there's nothing wrong with this guy's antics (note that EVERYONE here is telling you there is) --- why did you bring this question up in the first place.

[Manny A]

This is purely a game management issue. If you feel a player is able to continue and just needs some time to get herself back to playing condition, allow it. If another coach complains, tell him/her you'd do the same for one of his/her players.

Although not totally applicable in this scenario, you can use the same philosophy that you find in rule 3-3-10 when dealing with blood. It says, in part, "If medical care or treatment can be administered in a reasonable amount of time, the individual does not have to leave the game. The length of time that is considered reasonable is umpire judgment."