Interference on pop up foul

[Insane Blue]

ASA Rule Set
Bases loaded the runner on 3rd is off base on the pitch when the batter hits a pop up down 3rd base line which. The runner is attempting to get back to the base but interferes with the 3rd baseman going to the ball who was playing in front of the bag. The ball ultimately landed foul just beyond the base.

I ruled interference on the runner runner is out. What should have been done with the Batter?

I talked to my local DUIC but not so sure of his ruling which I will post later.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

ASA Rule Set
Bases loaded the runner on 3rd is off base on the pitch when the batter hits a pop up down 3rd base line which. The runner is attempting to get back to the base but interferes with the 3rd baseman going to the ball who was playing in front of the bag. The ball ultimately landed foul just beyond the base.

I ruled interference on the runner runner is out. What should have been done with the Batter?

I talked to my local DUIC but not so sure of his ruling which I will post later.

8.7.J EXCEPTION (listed in book after L, but applies J-L)

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

8.7.J EXCEPTION (listed in book after L, but applies J-L)

I do not remember reading "L" that confirms what my DUIC said.

I had never had this situation told both coaches that I was not sure about Batter Runner so it was decided to put her on first as if it was a routine interference call. Thankfully the game was a blowout.

Thank you Steve.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

I do not remember reading "L" that confirms what my DUIC said.

I had never had this situation told both coaches that I was not sure about Batter Runner so it was decided to put her on first as if it was a routine interference call. Thankfully the game was a blowout.

Thank you Steve.

I don't have the book in front of me, but I think it is one of two possibilities.

One, runner is out for INT and the batter is returned to the batters box with 1 additional strike for a foul ball.

Two, the runner is out on the INT and if in the judgment of the umpire, the ball, would have been caught absent the INT, we had an out for that as well.

I think two is actually what I remember the discussion being at a clinic a couple years ago. The rationale was that if we only call the INT we are benefitting the offensive team because it would have been an out anyway on the catch.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

I do not remember reading "L" that confirms what my DUIC said.

I had never had this situation told both coaches that I was not sure about Batter Runner so it was decided to put her on first as if it was a routine interference call. Thankfully the game was a blowout.

Thank you Steve.

Just keep in mind that it is rather hard to have a batter given a base on a foul ball.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

8.7.J EXCEPTION (listed in book after L, but applies J-L)

For ASA 2015, reorganized: 8-7-J Effect F

NFHS, this would result in the runner is out and a foul ball on the batter (8-6 Penalty).

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

ASA Rule Set
Bases loaded the runner on 3rd is off base on the pitch when the batter hits a pop up down 3rd base line which. The runner is attempting to get back to the base but interferes with the 3rd baseman going to the ball who was playing in front of the bag. The ball ultimately landed foul just beyond the base.

I ruled interference on the runner runner is out. What should have been done with the Batter?

I talked to my local DUIC but not so sure of his ruling which I will post later.

Out for leaving early?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

ASA Rule Set
Bases loaded the runner on 3rd is off base on the pitch when the batter hits a pop up down 3rd base line which. The runner is attempting to get back to the base but interferes with the 3rd baseman going to the ball who was playing in front of the bag. The ball ultimately landed foul just beyond the base.

I ruled interference on the runner runner is out. What should have been done with the Batter?

I talked to my local DUIC but not so sure of his ruling which I will post later.

I'm sort of surprised no one has asked the position of the ball at the time of the INT. It would only matter if the batter-runner was not declared out on the play.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I'm sort of surprised no one has asked the position of the ball at the time of the INT. It would only matter if the batter-runner was not declared out on the play.

The question said "FOUL" so I assumed it was foul.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

The question said "FOUL" so I assumed it was foul.

The question said it ultimately ended foul... but that's actually irrelevant, given that the play was killed earlier than that. Where was the ball when the play was killed?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

The question said it ultimately ended foul... but that's actually irrelevant, given that the play was killed earlier than that. Where was the ball when the play was killed?

Given the way everything in the OP was worded, I took it to mean a rather high pop up that F5 should have a relatively easy time coming to make a play on. That was just how I understood the OP.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Given the way everything in the OP was worded, I took it to mean a rather high pop up that F5 should have a relatively easy time coming to make a play on. That was just how I understood the OP.

Me too. But what you say here does not answer the question either. Where was the ball when the INT happened

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

The question said it ultimately ended foul... but that's actually irrelevant, given that the play was killed earlier than that. Where was the ball when the play was killed?

I went with the title of the post and didn't read into it. Seemed clear to me it was foul the whole time. But I get your point.

[chapmaja]

Just for the record.

The NFHS ruling is the runner is out (who interfered), all other runners return to the bases occupied at the time of the interference and the ball is a foul ball.

I have a problem with this rule in one regard.

What about this situation.

R1 on third, R2 on 1st 3-2 count. R1 is stealing on the release. Ball is popped up just to the foul side of the 3rd base. F5 is in position to make the catch and will have an easy throw back to 1st for the double play. R1 while returning to 3rd base from her leadoff bumps into F5 causing her to miss the catch.

In the following situation, the rule does not allow the batter to be called out, but she would have been out had the interference not occurred. At the same time, had the interference not occurred, R2 very likely would have been doubled off first base. In this instance we are benefitting the offense for the act of interference by allowing the foul ball rather than an out on the batter.

[jmkupka]

Always been taught, don't wait to see the result of the INT before calling INT...

ASA rules: Sky-high fly ball just foul of 3B (ordinary effort situation) . R1 tangles up badly with F5, INT called. F5 still has time to extricate herself and catch the ball.

The dead ball bell can't be unrung, so we still have runner and batter out?