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Old Fri Mar 06, 2015, 02:34pm
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I took my NFHS test online earlier this week and also got 3 wrong. I didn't get any clue about which ones they might be because I didn't see anything about which rules to research. After our test date closes in about a month we can go view the results and which questions we got wrong.

If you've taken the test already you're probably not one the lazy umpires Pierre was talking about! (this only makes sense if you were at the meeting!)


One tricky one I came across was:
The plate umpire shall ask each team's adult coach if their teams are legally and properly equipped, and remind participants that appropriate sporting behavior is expected throughout the contest.

The book says this responsibility is for head coaches. 4-1-2-d Are head coaches adult coaches? Probably. Are all adult coaches head coaches? Probably not. I put false. Don't know if that was a wrong response.
I think they are using adult coaches here for the scenario that for whatever reason the rostered head coach is unable to attend and his/her assistant is filling in until that person arrives. It eliminates having a captain from answering the questions and taking the responsibility.
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Old Fri Mar 06, 2015, 04:09pm
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I think they are using adult coaches here for the scenario that for whatever reason the rostered head coach is unable to attend and his/her assistant is filling in until that person arrives. It eliminates having a captain from answering the questions and taking the responsibility.
Not legal in NFHS.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2015, 11:04am
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What's not legal? If the head coach is not physically at the game site at the start time you can't require them to attend the conference.

By rule you are correct that if the assistant attends the pre-game meeting they are de facto head coach for that day but I have never seen a game where they didn't return that responsibility back to the rostered head coach and the umpires not allow that.
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Old Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:59am
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What's not legal? If the head coach is not physically at the game site at the start time you can't require them to attend the conference.

By rule you are correct that if the assistant attends the pre-game meeting they are de facto head coach for that day but I have never seen a game where they didn't return that responsibility back to the rostered head coach and the umpires not allow that.
If the head coach isn't there for the plate conference the coach who is there is now the head coach for that game. Legally they can't return responsibility to the "head coach" who missed the meeting.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2015, 05:43pm
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What's not legal? If the head coach is not physically at the game site at the start time you can't require them to attend the conference.

By rule you are correct that if the assistant attends the pre-game meeting they are de facto head coach for that day but I have never seen a game where they didn't return that responsibility back to the rostered head coach and the umpires not allow that.
This following quote from you is illegal in NFHS. A captain cannot do that; it must be an adult head coach that is employed by the school to legally "in loco parentis".

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It eliminates having a captain from answering the questions and taking the responsibility.
If there isn't an adult head coach (or acting head coach) available, you may not play the game until there is. In many states, that would be a forfeit.
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Old Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:22pm
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This following quote from you is illegal in NFHS. A captain cannot do that; it must be an adult head coach that is employed by the school to legally "in loco parentis".



If there isn't an adult head coach (or acting head coach) available, you may not play the game until there is. In many states, that would be a forfeit.
In Michigan, at least the last time I checked, the regulations specify a school employee. This is more often witnessed when the coach of a team is ejected. There must be a school employee able to take control of the team. If a school employee is not present, the game becomes a forfeit.

I have never seen where a school employed coach has not arrived by the start of a contest in any sport I work at the school level. I've seen it many times in Rec ball though. We use a similar rule in Rec Ball, but are more lenient on their being a coach. Also, with the Rec League, there is a form a parent can fill out to be registered as a coach for a team. Since they are not paid for coaching, it's easier than with a school.

The interesting twist is many coaches (not regular school employees, ie teachers), are no longer actually employed by the school districts. We have many districts that have contracted out the coaching pay and benefits to private companies (also done with substitute teachers). They are not school employees (but under Michigan Law have the same responsibilities and protections in many cases).
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