Ball hits bat or bat hits ball

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

I thought this play was different and would have better input. It was so close and only one person in the world saw it, we called Dead ball Foul. It was the second batter of an elimination game at a National Tournament. Any thoughts are welcome.

I don't see how you would support anything other than an out here. The Exceptions in 7-6-M are clear that the bat must still be in the batter's hands if she's still in the box, or that the ball rolls against a bat. A loose bat dropped onto a fair ball is a dead ball out, regardless of the batter's location.

You guys cut the girl some slack if you clearly saw the bat out of her hands when it contacted the ball. While I agree with you that it's not something you see every day and that it happened so close that only one person could see it, it should have been an out. Sometimes the game is a matter of millimeters.

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I don't see how you would support anything other than an out here. The Exceptions in 7-6-M are clear that the bat must still be in the batter's hands if she's still in the box, or that the ball rolls against a bat. A loose bat dropped onto a fair ball is a dead ball out, regardless of the batter's location.

You guys cut the girl some slack if you clearly saw the bat out of her hands when it contacted the ball. While I agree with you that it's not something you see every day and that it happened so close that only one person could see it, it should have been an out. Sometimes the game is a matter of millimeters.

Not a great way to start off in an elimination game at a National Tournament getting an out here. Now if I see this in my next 2000 games I will know what to do. Realistic Officiating (No Call) play ball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

Not a great way to start off in an elimination game at a National Tournament getting an out here. Now if I see this in my next 2000 games I will know what to do. Realistic Officiating (No Call) play ball.

So you just outright refuse to do the job for which you are being paid because you are afraid to call an out at the beginning of an elimination game?

Interesting

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

Not a great way to start off in an elimination game at a National Tournament getting an out here. Now if I see this in my next 2000 games I will know what to do. Realistic Officiating (No Call) play ball.

Hey, sh!t happens all the time where a batter, batter-runner, or runner does something totally unintentional that we feel compelled we shouldn't add insult to injury. But that's just part of the game. By not calling it, that's not realistic officiating; rather, it's irresponsible officiating.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

I thought this play was different and would have better input. It was so close and only one person in the world saw it, we called Dead ball Foul. It was the second batter of an elimination game at a National Tournament. Any thoughts are welcome.

Originally Posted by xtremeump

Not a great way to start off in an elimination game at a National Tournament getting an out here. Now if I see this in my next 2000 games I will know what to do. Realistic Officiating (No Call) play ball.

I think it's pretty clear here that you aren't looking for input, not wanting to know what the proper call is/was. You are simply searching for someone to agree with you.

Sorry, there is no rule support in any code, you were wrong.

[xtremeump]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I think it's pretty clear here that you aren't looking for input, not wanting to know what the proper call is/was. You are simply searching for someone to agree with you.

Sorry, there is no rule support in any code, you were wrong.

I was the BU in (C) when this happened. The (PU) asked me what I saw ? It was clear to me that the bat was in her hands. That is when the (PU) made the call, I did not know what the (PU) had seen ? In my humble opinion I don't care if anyone agrees with me. I was looking for an educated, experienced, helpful answer. Poop happens I get that, I was looking for something for someone that had this play before, you guys are like a gang waiting for blood. I now know better than to come here.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

I was the BU in (C) when this happened. The (PU) asked me what I saw ? It was clear to me that the bat was in her hands. That is when the (PU) made the call, I did not know what the (PU) had seen ? In my humble opinion I don't care if anyone agrees with me. I was looking for an educated, experienced, helpful answer. Poop happens I get that, I was looking for something for someone that had this play before, you guys are like a gang waiting for blood. I now know better than to come here.

Whoa, what do mean? I thought you got answers from folks who are educated and experienced.

In your OP, you said:

Batter bunts ball straight down, ball comes straight up. Batted drops the bat and the ball and bat meet in the air in fair territory ?

So what did you see? Did you see the batter dropping the bat and subsequently the bat and ball met in mid-air? Or you saw the bat in her hands? If it's the latter, then it wouldn't be an out. But apparently the PU saw otherwise, and if he did, then he screwed up by ruling a foul ball. There is no justification for making any other call, IF that's what the PU saw!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Whoa, what do mean? I thought you got answers from folks who are educated and experienced.

In your OP, you said:



So what did you see? Did you see the batter dropping the bat and subsequently the bat and ball met in mid-air? Or you saw the bat in her hands? If it's the latter, then it wouldn't be an out. But apparently the PU saw otherwise, and if he did, then he screwed up by ruling a foul ball. There is no justification for making any other call, IF that's what the PU saw!

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.....

[Altor]

So what's the problem? The PU thought the bat was out of her hands, but asked you for your opinion. You said it was still in her hands. He then called a foul ball.

If the PU was sure the bat was out of her hands, he should not have asked you and just called the out.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtremeump

I was the BU in (C) when this happened. The (PU) asked me what I saw ? It was clear to me that the bat was in her hands. That is when the (PU) made the call, I did not know what the (PU) had seen ? In my humble opinion I don't care if anyone agrees with me. I was looking for an educated, experienced, helpful answer. Poop happens I get that, I was looking for something for someone that had this play before, you guys are like a gang waiting for blood. I now know better than to come here.

Generally, if you change the play after the original post, the answers you got to the original post may not apply to the play you changed it to. If you're looking for helpful answers, ask questions that we can help you with - don't ask one question looking for the answer to some other question.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Manny A

(Snip) Sometimes the game is a matter of millimeters.

Inches, Manny, inches.
This is an American game...

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Inches, Manny, inches.
This is an American game...

Maybe Virginia still thinks they are a colony.

Oh, not that, he was looking at an ISF book.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Virginia still KNOWS they are a COMMONWEALTH.

Oh, not that, he was looking at an ISF book.

I fixed it for you. Or, so I've been taught since moving to Virginia.