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OK... after writing all that out, it stretches to the breaking point. But, if the coach does it again after being warned, well, I'd LIKE to be able to use it! ![]() USC is a stronger rule, especially after being warned. 6-10E, as mentioned above, can also be used for the warning and the ejection. I don't really care whether this is an effective way to instruct the batter, since I am not concerned in the least with that. My concern is with the timing and the sudden scream done with intent (IMJ) to disrupt the pitch. That is the same issue I have with fielders screaming SWING - it is the timing and sudden scream & my judgment as to intent. Caveat: this is all assuming younger JO ball. 18U & Adults may be a different standard.
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Nice try, not even close. Players hollering SWING are talking TO the opponent, not their own team. This is covered by the last sentence in ASA's 10.9.A
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Trying to put this kind of situation down in writing is dicey since it is a "know it when you see it" thing, not easily described. No one would consider F5 / F3 charging to the batter yelling BUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNT to be any kind of violation, nor would a coach yelling hitting instructions to the batter be anything unusual. Yet, the situation that I visualize in what was described here is more than the coach just giving instructions. It is with intent to disrupt the pitch. That is what would make it illegal and USC.
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Personally, though in the minority, I think 6.5.B applies to players running up screaming "bunt". I really don't like that. Just as much as I hate catchers who call out "lefty" or "left foot" when a left-handed batter enters the box. What? Do they think their fellow players are blind to too dumb to notice? Truly, stupid is as stupid does!
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see newer thread: "ASA - running lane violation with a walk "
[Edited by CecilOne on Sep 2nd, 2003 at 11:00 AM]
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There is no reason for the catcher to make that throw. I would be willing to toss the catcher if I felt his hitting the BR was intentional.
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There is no play available as the BR is permitted to advance to 1B without liability to be put out. Preemptive moves by the defense should be made at their own expense and liability.
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I made this very argument with a Fed rules committee member a few years ago. He felt that Fed had the interp that they wanted. Apparently they do, since there hasn't been a change (correction) made.
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Here is a situation that could happen with the walk and the throwing lane.
No one on base and B1 at bat with a 3-2 count. Pitch is thrown in the dirt and B1 checks his swing as the ball gets away from the catcher. Plate umpire calls ball. B1 takes off hard to first. The catcher, believing that the batter went around, gathers the ball and throws down to first to get the out on the dropped third strike. The runner, outside the three foot lane, interfers with 1B taking the throw and ball goes out into right field and runner takes second. Now, if I were a coach I would argue for the interference on this play. If the catcher waits for an appeal on the checked swing, he/she may not be able to throw down in time to get the out on the dropped third strike. Because the runner interfered with 1B taking the throw, they are now at second instead of first. That is about the only situation I could see happening on a walk where interference could be a factor. As an ump, what would you do in this situation? How about same situation except R2 at 3B and R2 scores after the interference? I'm sure I'll get blasted so fire away. [Edited by gsf23 on Aug 29th, 2003 at 01:02 PM]
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Bad choice to throw to 1st rather than get runner advancing from third. BR is not in jeopardy in my game until he passes 1st - ball got past catcher, he is throwing from foul territory, runner is inside diamond, poor throw, no interference.
Don't know. Had to be there. shrug... (Nice defense coach.)
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Wow, you guys came up with a kinda lose-lose here. Probably the only way out for the catcher is to make the throw, get it there before the runner, then appeal. If she gets the appeal and the BU says she went, it's a dropped 3rd strike and then the BU gets to call the BR out. What it boils down to is the catcher has to take care of the business at hand, hope the 1st baseman is looking at the girl at 3rd for a possible play. Once the play stops, make the appeal and stand by for the fireworks show, which is surely to follow. I'd kinda like to be on the field for this call.
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