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Old Tue May 13, 2014, 03:46pm
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What was her coach doing??

Anyway, is there a case for obstruction?
Perhaps - but since it wasn't mentioned I'm going to assume the umpire on the spot didn't believe so.

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If not, run does not score since the force was reinstated. (Cue the discussion about whether the BR is "forced".)
The rules regarding re-instating forces are in the section regarding runners. These same rules are not mirrored in the section regarding batter-runner (even though most rules ARE mirrored there). This indicates to me that there's nothing to reinstate here. BR HAS reached first base. The BR was not put out prior to reaching first base. I see no rules justification for nullifying this run. In any of the rulesets to be honest.
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Old Tue May 13, 2014, 03:59pm
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As stated, assuming ball was fair.

No obstruction, it sounded more like just fans being fans and players being players...not trying to confuse the base runner (Uhhh...where was her
1b coach, anyway?)

No force and none should have been re-instated so yeah, run's in.
Weird for a Championship game...but weird is why we come here I guess :-)
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Old Tue May 13, 2014, 07:56pm
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Weird for a Championship game...but weird is why we come here I guess :-)
In the 1A Final (smallest schools, with some 7th and 8th graders on the rosters) a girl stole second, then was thrown out sprinting back to first. We didn't have any CLUE why she would have done that.
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Old Tue May 13, 2014, 06:52pm
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The rules regarding re-instating forces are in the section regarding runners. These same rules are not mirrored in the section regarding batter-runner (even though most rules ARE mirrored there). This indicates to me that there's nothing to reinstate here. BR HAS reached first base. The BR was not put out prior to reaching first base. I see no rules justification for nullifying this run. In any of the rulesets to be honest.
Seems to be the point.

The OP says nothing about the ball being in the circle, but that would not change the run decision.
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Old Tue May 13, 2014, 07:51pm
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Seems to be the point.

The OP says nothing about the ball being in the circle, but that would not change the run decision.
Mentioned that because some observers thought that maybe she was out for a circle violation. Again, a timing play and the run would have scored.
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Old Wed May 21, 2014, 11:59am
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The rules regarding re-instating forces are in the section regarding runners. These same rules are not mirrored in the section regarding batter-runner (even though most rules ARE mirrored there). This indicates to me that there's nothing to reinstate here. BR HAS reached first base. The BR was not put out prior to reaching first base. I see no rules justification for nullifying this run. In any of the rulesets to be honest.
So, to follow-up on this premise, if the BR happens to retreat back toward home for whatever reason, she cannot be retired by tagging first base? She has to be tagged while off the base?

I find this premise hard to believe. The rules clearly state that a runner who scores and then retreats back to third base does not nullify the touch of home. There is nothing that says a BR who touches first and then retreats back toward home does not nullify the touch of first. If this were true, you would expect a similar ruling.
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Old Wed May 21, 2014, 12:32pm
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So, to follow-up on this premise, if the BR happens to retreat back toward home for whatever reason, she cannot be retired by tagging first base? She has to be tagged while off the base?

I find this premise hard to believe. The rules clearly state that a runner who scores and then retreats back to third base does not nullify the touch of home. There is nothing that says a BR who touches first and then retreats back toward home does not nullify the touch of first. If this were true, you would expect a similar ruling.
Having opinions is great... and this is a good discussion. But I must ask - can you point to any rule that backs up your opinion?

Not saying you can't... but I can't.
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Old Wed May 21, 2014, 02:42pm
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Having opinions is great... and this is a good discussion. But I must ask - can you point to any rule that backs up your opinion?

Not saying you can't... but I can't.
Neither can I.

A weak argument could be made that once the BR touches first, she loses her status as a BR, and now becomes a runner, by ASA definitions. So she now comes under the same guidelines as other runners.......oh, never mind.
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Old Wed May 21, 2014, 09:36pm
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So, to follow-up on this premise, if the BR happens to retreat back toward home for whatever reason, she cannot be retired by tagging first base? She has to be tagged while off the base?

I find this premise hard to believe. The rules clearly state that a runner who scores and then retreats back to third base does not nullify the touch of home. There is nothing that says a BR who touches first and then retreats back toward home does not nullify the touch of first. If this were true, you would expect a similar ruling.
The runner is not restricted to any path. And just like you cannot just touch the base when the runner rounds it to put him/her out, you must tag the runner off the base to retire him/her. And there is no "force" to reinstate.
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