Obstruction

[jmkupka]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Based on the wording of the OP, I would be awarding home? Why? If she was out on a bang bang play, she likely would have scored had she not be obstructed prior to 3b.
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I guess my point is, she'd have been safe without the OBS, and are the intervening plays technicalities per the rulebook that remove her protection?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

I guess my point is, she'd have been safe without the OBS, and are the intervening plays technicalities per the rulebook that remove her protection?

Your OP does not make the timing of events clear, but I infer from "F3 fires home" that this occurred when R2 was nearly home already. In that case, the effect of the obstruction is in the past, and this is a subsequent play. With the ball in the infield during the entire playing action, protection of more than one base is not happening in most cases.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

I guess my point is, she'd have been safe without the OBS, and are the intervening plays technicalities per the rulebook that remove her protection?

If you are awarding a particular base due to obstruction and they don't get to that base, award the base.

Re-read the section that deals with intervening plays - that VERY rarely comes into play in real action - and only applies in situations where the runner has reached the award base and THEN an intervening play happens. So ... it can only really negate the "between the bases where she was obstructed" part and then only if the awarded base was going to be the previous base.

IE - obstructed rounding 2nd, but never going to make 3rd - award is 2nd, protection is between 2nd and 3rd. Then there's an intervening play and she heads to 3rd - the "between 2nd and 3rd" part of her protection goes away.

In your OP, at the moment of the obstruction near third and the ball already in the infield ... no sane umpire is awarding home. The runner is awarded 3rd, and protected between 2nd and 3rd (redundant in this case)... the play home, whether intervening or not, is simply a play on a runner who is beyond their award and outside their protection.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

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IE - obstructed rounding 2nd, but never going to make 3rd - award is 2nd, protection is between 2nd and 3rd. Then there's an intervening play and she heads to 3rd - the "between 2nd and 3rd" part of her protection goes away.

Just one thing to add to this, that if OBS between 2nd & 3rd and the award would be 2nd, for the subsequent play exception to take effect, that runner would have to return to 2nd safely and then try to advance to 3rd.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

I guess my point is, she'd have been safe without the OBS, and are the intervening plays technicalities per the rulebook that remove her protection?

Or just re-read the response, post #3 in this thread.

[jmkupka]

Not to add more elements to it, but as she had the head start, 3B coach sent her as soon as he saw the toss to F2. My take is he sent her based on the play at 1st & not on the OBS.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

Not to add more elements to it, but as she had the head start, 3B coach sent her as soon as he saw the toss to F2. My take is he sent her based on the play at 1st & not on the OBS.

You're really looking at this in a strange manner.

Erase all the other noise from the play. Ignore trying to read the coach's mind. It's really this simple, and there's only one thing you should be worried about.

At the moment of obstruction, where did you, the umpire, think she would get to had there not been obstruction.

Ball in the infield - runner approaching 3rd. I think it's clear the answer is 3rd.