That's Interference!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

I am confused on the definition of "subsequent play".

sub·se·quent
adjective \ˈsəb-si-kwənt, -sə-ˌkwent\ : happening or coming after something else







Full Definition of SUBSEQUENT

: following in time, order, or place <subsequent events> subsequent clause in the treaty>

[tcannizzo]

Nice. . I get that.

But now I realize that I have been calling this wrong.
Ball hit down RF line, F3 OBS BR/R before Fn gets to the ball.
OBS occurs between 1B and 2B and is minor.

(I have been saying "2B" because of the judgement made at the time of the OBS. So, I want to get this clearly as possible.)

Then ball gets away from Fn.
Fn finally gets ball.
Fn throws to cutoff/relay (F4 at edge of grass) who relays to F2 at HP.
Ball gets away from F2, but recovers just in time to tag BR/R.
(bear with me on this - PLEASE)

You see where I am going with this?
PLAY: An attempt by a defensive player to retire an offensive player.

So, all of that would be considered the "Play", and none of that would be considered "Subsequent" action, which is moot anyway, because the only time "Subsequent action" matters is when a play is made on a different runner.

Meaning I don't have to judge what base would have been reached until the play is completely over?

no flames (well maybe I deserve something)

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

Ball hit down RF line, F3 OBS BR/R before Fn gets to the ball.
OBS occurs between 1B and 2B and is minor.

Then ball gets away from Fn.....

...Meaning I don't have to judge what base would have been reached until the play is completely over?

You should have already judged where protection ends long before play at the plate. Everything after "Then ball gets away" was after the minor OBS between 1B and 2B.

The picture I get from description of this play leads me to believe that at most BR would be protected to 2B or maybe only to 1B (although still can't be put out between 1B and 2B).

Can't see anything that would award 3B much less home.

Don't get caught up in trying to add the OBS to end of play. In this case the OBS was water under the bridge after BR got past 2B.

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

You should have already judged where protection ends long before play at the plate. Everything after "Then ball gets away" was after the minor OBS between 1B and 2B.

The picture I get from description of this play leads me to believe that at most BR would be protected to 2B or maybe only to 1B (although still can't be put out between 1B and 2B).

Can't see anything that would award 3B much less home.

Don't get caught up in trying to add the OBS to end of play. In this case the OBS was water under the bridge after BR got past 2B.

Then you think that I have been calling it right all along?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

Nice. . I get that.

But now I realize that I have been calling this wrong.
Ball hit down RF line, F3 OBS BR/R before Fn gets to the ball.
OBS occurs between 1B and 2B and is minor.

(I have been saying "2B" because of the judgement made at the time of the OBS. So, I want to get this clearly as possible.)

Then ball gets away from Fn.
Fn finally gets ball.

STOP RIGHT THERE! Here is the point where the umpire should make the final determination of the base to which you intend to protect/award the runner.

Any misplays or just bad decisions on either end after this point should be irrelevant to the initial OBS.

Fn throws to cutoff/relay (F4 at edge of grass) who relays to F2 at HP.
Ball gets away from F2, but recovers just in time to tag BR/R.
(bear with me on this - PLEASE)

Completely irrelevant to the OBS

You see where I am going with this?
PLAY: An attempt by a defensive player to retire an offensive player.

So, all of that would be considered the "Play", and none of that would be considered "Subsequent" action, which is moot anyway, because the only time "Subsequent action" matters is when a play is made on a different runner. Meaning I don't have to judge what base would have been reached until the play is completely over?

no flames (well maybe I deserve something)

No, absolutely not. Nothing to do with "another" runner, different rule and application. My comment was "on subsequent play", not "a subsequent play". IOW, as in "playing" the game.

[tcannizzo]

Makes sense. Thanks.