New coach

[Rich]

I've been an umpire since 1987.

Last night, I became the coach of my daughter's 8U travel softball team. Yes, they went to 3-4 out of town tournaments last year and my daughter had a blast. When her coach decided to move with his daughter to 10U next season, I realized that the team was in real danger of folding if someone didn't step up and coach.

I just finished the Part 1 ACE certification, which was required by my group. I intend to have Sports First Aid and CPR certification before we starting having practices (indoors -- this winter).

Can anyone point me an a good direction so I can learn how to be a coach and not be a liability to my daughter and her friends?

[tcannizzo]

Rich,
I went in the opposite direction, coach 1989-04, umpiring since then.
First, let me tell you that your stress level will increase exponentially in that you will be running a small enterprise, and spending way more time than you would like with HR, Financial and Operational Logistics...coaching 40-50 games takes way more energy than umpiring 250 games.

But it is great fun coaching up your players and tremendous satisfaction seeing the difference in their abilities at the end of the year. And you will develop life-long memories with your daughter.

Maybe I can help. I developed a Playbook that I used as a guide for what and how to teach. It is too large to upload as an attachment, but if you PM your email address, I would be glad to send it to you.

[MD Longhorn]

My hardest lesson was when talking to the umpires, believe it or not. When umpiring, if we were discussing things as a group, I was generally the "rules guy" in the room - and accorded that kind of respect from most of them. Now, I begin with ZERO respect when discussing a call (even, in some cases, from some that remember me as an umpire).

The other interesting thing was that I was continually telling my assistant coach to stop mumbling or gesticulating over ball-strike calls. "We can't really see that from here" came out of my mouth about 20 times.

[DRJ1960]

Congratulations. Many of my best sports memories are from coaching my kids.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've been an umpire since 1987.

Last night, I became the coach of my daughter's 8U travel softball team. Yes, they went to 3-4 out of town tournaments last year and my daughter had a blast. When her coach decided to move with his daughter to 10U next season, I realized that the team was in real danger of folding if someone didn't step up and coach.

I just finished the Part 1 ACE certification, which was required by my group. I intend to have Sports First Aid and CPR certification before we starting having practices (indoors -- this winter).

Can anyone point me an a good direction so I can learn how to be a coach and not be a liability to my daughter and her friends?

Be good and patient with the umpires.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Be good and patient with the umpires.

+1

One of the worst experiences I've had doing Juco ball recently involved a head coach who came up to my partner and me while we were inspecting his team's bats, and started up a conversation by telling us he is a long-time umpire at the D1 level. My radar went up immediately.

Sure enough, he questioned a number of calls, and even questioned responsibilities. His team requested an appeal of a runner missing third base while scoring on a hit. I was the PU and gave the safe signal. He requested Time, sauntered over to me, and asked, "Who's call is that at third base?" I told him it was mine, and he asked if I was sure. I answered, "Coach, if you're an umpire as you claim to be, you know whose call it is. Now let's play."

Don't be "that coach".

[Rich]

My daughter will be 9. I am not expecting talented (or even competent) umpiring. If I get it, I will be pleasantly surprised.

I'll have enough things to worry about - there's absolutely no chance I'll get on an umpire.

I was tempted last year when one called strikes a good foot off the plate when my daughter was batting and I was just a dad in the stands, but I walked away instead.

[RKBUmp]

I'll have enough things to worry about - there's absolutely no chance I'll get on an umpire.

I said the same thing, but it gets real hard after several games in a row where the umpires dont even know the most basic rules of the game and even then the rules change from game to game depending on which umpire you get. I finally had a meeting with the assignor for the league and asked how were we ever suppose to teach the girls to play the game if we werent going to use a rule book. She told me they were allowing the umpires to use their own descretion as to what they did and did not call. So I asked her, in other words we are playing under a top secret rule set contained only in each umpires head?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

I said the same thing, but it gets real hard after several games in a row where the umpires dont even know the most basic rules of the game and even then the rules change from game to game depending on which umpire you get. I finally had a meeting with the assignor for the league and asked how were we ever suppose to teach the girls to play the game if we werent going to use a rule book. She told me they were allowing the umpires to use their own descretion as to what they did and did not call. So I asked her, in other words we are playing under a top secret rule set contained only in each umpires head?

The thing I found a bit annoying just watching were the "special" rules that would change from day to day and game to game. I'm going to have to make a real effort to turn that part of my brain off and use it as a teaching moment for the girls.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

My daughter will be 9. there's absolutely no chance I'll get on an umpire.

My daughter was 9 when I started... and yes you will.

1) A play needed to go home, so I moved everyone in, including my LF all the way to where a normal F5 would play. Umpire in C told her (HER! Not me... her!) she needed to move back. Yes, I got on him first for telling my player where to go, and second for trying to tell me I couldn't position my players where I wanted them.

2) Play at 3rd, F5 is clearly and blatantly blocking the base, my player slides and literally bounces off the fielder. Then F5 catches the ball and tags my player laying on the ground, who tried feebly to avoid the tag by crawling away. OUT! My first question - Did you see the obstruction. When he said yes, I asked how my player could be out. When he said, "She was moving away from third base when she was tagged." Yes, I got on him. Luckily his partner came in to fix things (yes, unsolicited, but I wasn't going to stop him!).

Yes. You WILL get on an umpire.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Manny A

+1

One of the worst experiences I've had doing Juco ball recently involved a head coach who came up to my partner and me while we were inspecting his team's bats, and started up a conversation by telling us he is a long-time umpire at the D1 level. My radar went up immediately.

Sure enough, he questioned a number of calls, and even questioned responsibilities. His team requested an appeal of a runner missing third base while scoring on a hit. I was the PU and gave the safe signal. He requested Time, sauntered over to me, and asked, "Who's call is that at third base?" I told him it was mine, and he asked if I was sure. I answered, "Coach, if you're an umpire as you claim to be, you know whose call it is. Now let's play."

Don't be "that coach".

If he is asking those types of questions, maybe you should find out what sport he umpires at the "D1 Level".....

[Rich]

I know I'll never use the phrase, "I'm an umpire" because I know how I react every time I hear someone say that to me.

Although I did put my resume forward when I questioned why my daughter's team (this past year) was playing in the middle of a torrential downpour / thunderstorm.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know I'll never use the phrase, "I'm an umpire" because I know how I react every time I hear someone say that to me.

Although I did put my resume forward when I questioned why my daughter's team (this past year) was playing in the middle of a torrential downpour / thunderstorm.

I've always wondered why teams stay on the field when they consider it "unsafe"? You don't want to play in it, don't.

[DaveASA/FED]

It is often difficult NOT to get excited when you know it's wrong. Mine happened in a 10U all star game. My runner ran behind the short stop (3-4 steps behind) who was playing in, a hit ball deflected off the shorts stop glove and hit my runner on the foot as she jumped to try and avoid the ball. the ball when out to the outfield as 3B was playing up also. The umpire called my runner out.

Well I started off with being nice.

Me: Just to make sure, what rule set are we playing under?
Umpire: ASA (I had to ask since he had a blank hat on)
Me: Are there any tournament rules about interference that weren't in this coaches handout?
Umpire: No
Me: Ok so how do you have my runner out?
Umpire: The ball hit her
Me: After it passed the short stop, did another fielder have a chance to get an out?
Umpire: NO
Me: Since this was a deflected ball do you feel my runner intentionally contacted that ball?
Umpire: NO
Me: Then how can she be out???
Umpire: Come on man anytime the ball hits a runner she's out.
Me: Sir that's not a correct statement
Umpire: Yes it is that's simple rules

At this point I took a deep breath and remembered there was a no protest rule at this tourney umpires had the final say on the field.
Me: Well sir this is your diamond and you have the final say, but PLEASE look that up when we get off the field cause your interpretation is wrong.

He had a few more words, I said the above when we were close to each other and only loud enough for us to hear it.

Later that day he came up and apologized to me, I told him it's ok it's just a learning experience.

Of course this is the same tourney that I yelled at my own fans for getting on an umpire. They were all over him, I said "HEY" and explained the rule and that the umpire was right, I also added that it's my job to talk to the umpire about his/her calls it's theirs to support their kids. After I said that I was a little nervous because I wasn't very nice when I said it....after the game one of the larger dads came up to me and said "Well you sure shut us up. I'm glad you did cause you are right we should be positive for our kids and you should argue with the umpires" Talk about breathing a sigh of relief when he said that!!

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Andy

If he is asking those types of questions, maybe you should find out what sport he umpires at the "D1 Level".....

I'm 100% sure he was asking just to check and see if I knew. It was a not-so-subtle attempt at trying to show us he was better than us.