outside protector

[chuck chopper]

Dear sir, not trying to be unsimpathetic but I believe you need to tell your assigner you can't accept games when it's very hot. Do not buy an outside protector. That's only my 2 cents however.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by chuck chopper

Dear sir, not trying to be unsimpathetic but I believe you need to tell your assigner you can't accept games when it's very hot. Do not buy an outside protector. That's only my 2 cents however.

With all due respect Chuck, your two cents isn't worth even one cent. I am almost 61 and MTD, Jr., is 23, and we bought "ballons" for use during summer fast pitch tournaments for the following reason: The FP tournaments in our area are played under the following time constraints: A game lasts 1:20 and a new game starts every 1:30. That means a crew has only ten minutes to change from Plate Gear to Base Gear and vice versa. If you are like Mark, Jr., and I that means changing in or out of full Plate Gear which really cannot be done in 10 minutes and when it is very hot, it means that one does not really have a time to take a break between games.

Using a "ballon" allows us to wear Combo Pants and all we have to do is change between Plate and Base shoes and shin guards.

MTD, Sr.

[Robmoz]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With all due respect Chuck, your two cents isn't worth even one cent. I am almost 61 and MTD, Jr., is 23, and we bought "ballons" for use during summer fast pitch tournaments for the following reason: The FP tournaments in our area are played under the following time constraints: A game lasts 1:20 and a new game starts every 1:30. That means a crew has only ten minutes to change from Plate Gear to Base Gear and vice versa. If you are like Mark, Jr., and I that means changing in or out of full Plate Gear which really cannot be done in 10 minutes and when it is very hot, it means that one does not really have a time to take a break between games.

Using a "ballon" allows us to wear Combo Pants and all we have to do is change between Plate and Base shoes and shin guards.

MTD, Sr.

Considering time constraints, it is what it is but take the time necessary to change your gear, the next game will wait for you and most times you'll catch up the schedule due to other reasons by the end of the day. BUT...Hard to believe that taking your shirt off, adding a protector and putting your shirt back on takes more than 2 minutes but the bigger issue is schedulers that wanna cram in games every 1'30" and expect things to run like a German train schedule all day...with no consideration for the umpire crew in the least. I'm not in favor of the "ballon", but to each his own I guess.

What's next, stand behind the pitcher to call balls and strikes because its too hot to suit up? Stay hydrated, use sunscreen, find shade between innings, use ice towels, etc. be prepared for the heat!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Robmoz

Considering time constraints, it is what it is but take the time necessary to change your gear, the next game will wait for you and most times you'll catch up the schedule due to other reasons by the end of the day. BUT...Hard to believe that taking your shirt off, adding a protector and putting your shirt back on takes more than 2 minutes but the bigger issue is schedulers that wanna cram in games every 1'30" and expect things to run like a German train schedule all day...with no consideration for the umpire crew in the least. I'm not in favor of the "ballon", but to each his own I guess.

What's next, stand behind the pitcher to call balls and strikes because its too hot to suit up? Stay hydrated, use sunscreen, find shade between innings, use ice towels, etc. be prepared for the heat!

1) Tournament Directors here in the Toledo Area do NOT want games starting after their scheduled time: Games WILL start on time! You do not know how often coaches complain because we have started the game 5 minutes, , late because we have taken an extra 5 minutes to rest between games.

Just this past Saturday afternoon, all of the morning games were wiped out because of heavy rain the night before. And the diamond to which we were assigned started 10 minutes later than the rest of the games because the 2B area still wasn't ready. The HC and parents of one of the teams in our 3rd game of the day complained that it was our fault that their game was late because of field conditions.

And two weeks ago at a baseball tournament, Junior and I had a HC complain that we didn't start his game immediately after our 3rd game in a row because we took a break and changed gear while the grounds crew ready the field for our next game. Yes, we were behind schedule but that happens when the entire weekend was pummeled with thunderstorms all day and all night long. The shocking thing was about this HC was he and his team was from Canada and Canadians are usually the most polite people there are in tournaments. I was behind the plate for his game and ran him in the top of the 2nd for pulling an Earl Weaver over a balk we called on his pitcher; his Pitcher stopped twice while pitching from the Set Position.

2a) Plate Gear is more than a Chest Protector; it is also Shin Guards and Plate Shoes, as well as a Mask and a Breathing Apparatus (10 bonus points and a Cuban cigar for all who know what a Breathing Apparatus is, ).

2b) Don't forget that during that 10 minute time period between the end of one game and the start of the next game is when the Umpires meet with the HCs, exchange Lineup Cards, go over Ground Rules, and flip the coin for Home and Away.

3) What shade between innings? I have never been on a softball diamond that has shade for the umpires between innings let alone shade for the players.

4) MTD, Jr., and I would not consider going behind the Pitcher to call Balls and Strikes, but we do take the proper precautions to stay hydrated. We each take an insulated jug of ice and water onto the diamond with us. We drink between half innings and keep a small towel in the jugs to use to wring water over our heads and into our hats between innings. We know how to take care of ourselves.

MTD, Sr.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

1) Tournament Directors here in the Toledo Area do NOT want games starting after their scheduled time: Games WILL start on time! You do not know how often coaches complain because we have started the game 5 minutes, , late because we have taken an extra 5 minutes to rest between games.

Just this past Saturday afternoon, all of the morning games were wiped out because of heavy rain the night before. And the diamond to which we were assigned started 10 minutes later than the rest of the games because the 2B area still wasn't ready. The HC and parents of one of the teams in our 3rd game of the day complained that it was our fault that their game was late because of field conditions.

And two weeks ago at a baseball tournament, Junior and I had a HC complain that we didn't start his game immediately after our 3rd game in a row because we took a break and changed gear while the grounds crew ready the field for our next game. Yes, we were behind schedule but that happens when the entire weekend was pummeled with thunderstorms all day and all night long. The shocking thing was about this HC was he and his team was from Canada and Canadians are usually the most polite people there are in tournaments. I was behind the plate for his game and ran him in the top of the 2nd for pulling an Earl Weaver over a balk we called on his pitcher; his Pitcher stopped twice while pitching from the Set Position.

2a) Plate Gear is more than a Chest Protector; it is also Shin Guards and Plate Shoes, as well as a Mask and a Breathing Apparatus (10 bonus points and a Cuban cigar for all who know what a Breathing Apparatus is, ).

2b) Don't forget that during that 10 minute time period between the end of one game and the start of the next game is when the Umpires meet with the HCs, exchange Lineup Cards, go over Ground Rules, and flip the coin for Home and Away.

3) What shade between innings? I have never been on a softball diamond that has shade for the umpires between innings let alone shade for the players.

4) MTD, Jr., and I would not consider going behind the Pitcher to call Balls and Strikes, but we do take the proper precautions to stay hydrated. We each take an insulated jug of ice and water onto the diamond with us. We drink between half innings and keep a small towel in the jugs to use to wring water over our heads and into our hats between innings. We know how to take care of ourselves.

MTD, Sr.

Looks like you have bigger problems than CP.

Nobody wants to start late, but someone needs to manage the problem.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

1) Tournament Directors here in the Toledo Area do NOT want games starting after their scheduled time: Games WILL start on time! You do not know how often coaches complain because we have started the game 5 minutes, , late because we have taken an extra 5 minutes to rest between games.
MTD, Sr.

You know what, Mark? Tough. If THEY are dumb enough to schedule games that close, that is their issue. An umpire should never be pushed to any point of not being properly equipped or not getting a chance to catch their breath. IMO, too many umpires play into this crap and shame on the UICs that allow it.

Yes, we all want to be on time. If a coach bitches, remind him of all the time s/he and his team waste on rah-rah or "huddles". I've seen TDs hold a tournament up because the poor players had to play back-to-back because they fell to the loser's bracket early. Let me see, who gets to take a break at least every half-inning, usually in the shade and with cold water available whenever. But the umpires are expected to be perfect on the field and immortal all the time?

AFA the topic, I started umpiring with the balloon in 66 and loved it. The new ones are way too small, but the original offered much more protection than the inside protectors. If you can get one, use it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

You know what, Mark? Tough. If THEY are dumb enough to schedule games that close, that is their issue. An umpire should never be pushed to any point of not being properly equipped or not getting a chance to catch their breath. IMO, too many umpires play into this crap and shame on the UICs that allow it.

Yes, we all want to be on time. If a coach bitches, remind him of all the time s/he and his team waste on rah-rah or "huddles". I've seen TDs hold a tournament up because the poor players had to play back-to-back because they fell to the loser's bracket early. Let me see, who gets to take a break at least every half-inning, usually in the shade and with cold water available whenever. But the umpires are expected to be perfect on the field and immortal all the time?

AFA the topic, I started umpiring with the balloon in 66 and loved it. The new ones are way too small, but the original offered much more protection than the inside protectors. If you can get one, use it.

Irish:

You are preaching to the choir. Every time I have mentioned using a three-umpire rotation, you would not believe how many umpires protest. They do not want to be on site for as many as 9 games in order to umpire 6 games. They want to work 6 games in a row so they can get down quicker even if it "kills" them.

MTD, Sr

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Irish:

You are preaching to the choir. Every time I have mentioned using a three-umpire rotation, you would not believe how many umpires protest. They do not want to be on site for as many as 9 games in order to umpire 6 games. They want to work 6 games in a row so they can get down quicker even if it "kills" them.

MTD, Sr

There's no way in hell I'd stick around for 9 games and only get paid for 6 of them.

Easiest way to get on my scratch list is when a team forfeits in the middle of a string of games and the TD doesn't want to pay the umpires for that game, thinking that they'll just pocket that extra money.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

...2a) Plate Gear is more than a Chest Protector; it is also Shin Guards and Plate Shoes, as well as a Mask and a Breathing Apparatus (10 bonus points and a Cuban cigar for all who know what a Breathing Apparatus is, )....

You shouldn't forget, Mark, that some of us have been around this forum almost as long as you!

Cups

Now, about that Cuban cigar....

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With all due respect Chuck, your two cents isn't worth even one cent. I am almost 61 and MTD, Jr., is 23, and we bought "ballons" for use during summer fast pitch tournaments for the following reason: The FP tournaments in our area are played under the following time constraints: A game lasts 1:20 and a new game starts every 1:30. That means a crew has only ten minutes to change from Plate Gear to Base Gear and vice versa. If you are like Mark, Jr., and I that means changing in or out of full Plate Gear which really cannot be done in 10 minutes and when it is very hot, it means that one does not really have a time to take a break between games.

Using a "ballon" allows us to wear Combo Pants and all we have to do is change between Plate and Base shoes and shin guards.

MTD, Sr.

I don't usually disagree with you, but ...

That is a common time constraint, although I just saw one with 1:20/1:45 to allow for inning finishing and ties.
Anyway, doesn't the finishing BU wait for the changing PU and start the next game?
And like Rob said, shirt/CP is the quickest part of the change.

Also, what is the relationship of combo pants to CP? I still would change pants to fresh ones and remove the cup/supporter.

[Welpe]

One thing that has helped me quite a bit are the Endurance Pads from Rite Temp. Unfortunately the company went out of business so they aren't being made any more but if you can find some, they are worth every penny.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Welpe

One thing that has helped me quite a bit are the Endurance Pads from Rite Temp. Unfortunately the company went out of business so they aren't being made any more but if you can find some, they are worth every penny.

Glad those worked because the stuff I got from Rite Temp is pure crap.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Glad those worked because the stuff I got from Rite Temp is pure crap.

What do you expect from a company that cannot write right right, right?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Anyway, doesn't the finishing BU wait for the changing PU and start the next game?

Um ... exactly how would that work since both have to change?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Um ... exactly how would that work since both have to change?

I think Cecil is used to working the way we do around here, three people on a field in these cases, in a two on one off format. In this weather, four to a field is not unusual, working a one on one off format.

Sounds like that is what needs to be considered for use up there, especially if the coaches and TD's are so anal about their time constraints. We never have those issues here because a crew is always ready to take the field as soon as the previous crew walks off of it.

If this is league, with just a couple to three games, even in the heat, another idea is for the plate umpire to work two consecutive games, and only change for a third game if one exists.