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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 03:38pm
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Probably just me being confused, but where in the ASA book is the rule that says the batter is out for an infield fly.
It doesn't. ASA 8.2.I says the batter-runner is out when an infield fly is declared.
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 04:06pm
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It doesn't. ASA 8.2.I says the batter-runner is out when an infield fly is declared.
What year rulebook are you referencing?

Don't have my 2013 rulebook with me but the 2012 rule book states:

Section 2. BATTER-RUNNER IS OUT.
I. When an infield fly is declared and the fair batted ball hits the batter- runner before reaching first base.

Bolding mine. Hope they corrected it for 2013.
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 04:16pm
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What year rulebook are you referencing?

Don't have my 2013 rulebook with me but the 2012 rule book states:

Section 2. BATTER-RUNNER IS OUT.
I. When an infield fly is declared and the fair batted ball hits the batter- runner before reaching first base.

Bolding mine. Hope they corrected it for 2013.
The 2013 is the same and that is part of my question.
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 04:23pm
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The 2013 is the same and that is part of my question.
Mea Culpa. I picked up the 2010 book. There is a period immediately after "When an infield fly is declared". Same for 2011. Changed in 2012.

Didn't we go round and round about this before, somewhere?
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 04:24pm
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Mea Culpa. I picked up the 2010 book. There is a period immediately after "When an infield fly is declared". Same for 2011. Changed in 2012.

Didn't we go round and round about this before, somewhere?
Yes, but I could not find it, "infield" and IFR are too common in our forum.
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 05:03pm
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ASA 2012/2013 Rulebook 8.2.I states:

Section 2. BATTER-RUNNER IS OUT.
I. When an infield fly is declared and the fair batted ball hits the batter- runner before reaching first base.

Bolding mine. Hope they corrected it for 2013.
@IrishMafia,
Shouldn't the "and" be "or"? Has this been corrected in an interpretation or correction?
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 06:59pm
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@IrishMafia,
Shouldn't the "and" be "or"? Has this been corrected in an interpretation or correction?
No. They (ASA) changed the rule for 2012 and apparently, still hasn't caught it yet.

The rule should read (as it did in 2011):

I. When an infield fly is declared. If the fair batted ball hits the batter-runner before reaching first base, the ball is dead and the infield fly is invoked.
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 10:48pm
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No. They (ASA) changed the rule for 2012 and apparently, still hasn't caught it yet.

The rule should read (as it did in 2011):

I. When an infield fly is declared. If the fair batted ball hits the batter-runner before reaching first base, the ball is dead and the infield fly is invoked.
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Old Thu Jul 04, 2013, 06:53am
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I. When an infield fly is declared. If the fair batted ball hits the batter-runner before reaching first base, the ball is dead and the infield fly is invoked.
How does the "infield fly is invoked" apply if the BR is already out from being hit?
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Old Thu Jul 04, 2013, 08:04am
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How does the "infield fly is invoked" apply if the BR is already out from being hit?
The BR isn't out for being hit, they are out because you invoked the IF. The result of the now non-participant is the ball is dead and not runners may advance.
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Old Thu Jul 04, 2013, 12:50pm
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The BR isn't out for being hit, they are out because you invoked the IF. The result of the now non-participant is the ball is dead and not runners may advance.
So, what it is really saying is the invoking of the IFR still applies, but now the ball is dead.

Why does it specify the BR, as opposed to any runner off base being hit by an uncaught infield fly? (Before passing a fielder of course).
If it is not just the BR that would cause a dead ball, why mention it at all, any batted ball hitting a runner or batter-runner is dead, isn't it?
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Old Wed Jul 03, 2013, 04:14pm
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It doesn't. ASA 8.2.I says the batter-runner is out when an infield fly is declared.
Yes, I was being generic instead of rule specific.
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