Not respecting and adhering to the mechanics prescribed by the 'alphabet' one is working. Some of the worst partners one can ever have. :eek:

Phil, you are absolutely correct and it is a disservice to your (generic, not Phil) partner to do that. Had an umpire working a HS game this year tell his partner (2nd year) that he was going to use NCAA mechanics so working HS doesn't affect his NCAA game.

His partner had no idea what that meant as far as it concerned responsibilities or coverage and was on edge the entire game trying to figure out what HE was supposed to do that wouldn't screw up his partner.

I am going with Manny.....he is a Colonel....and out ranked anyone in my family. And he can rain down artillery anywhere he wants.

Plus, I agree with him. d;-)

Joel

I sent him mine......just so you would not call me a chicken.

I have less experience (only 38 years umpiring) than many here.

Joel

Manny, I'm not saying you're wrong...
 

But, how do you handle the defensive coaches protest?

By making him show me that the run scores.

Very simple actually.

Joel

And when he asks you why the run doesn't score...
 

and you respond that the second runner passed the first runner and therefore you're not going to allow the run and he then quotes you the rule regarding a runner passing another runner and backs you into a corner how do you deal with that? Again, I'm not saying I'm disagreeing but I'd like to know how to handle this?

I would show him how "runs are scored".......

Have him prove me wrong.

Don't get me wrong.....I would allow the protest.....but I would still win it.

Joel

xtremeump
 

Do not worry big guy I am done here, I really thought this could be productive, but this is my third time and I am disappointed.

xtremeump
 

Historical Notes: After thirty years of Major League action, many unusual incidents had occurred along the basepaths. Among the most unusual was a play in which a baserunner passed a teammate who was running the bases ahead of him. As a result, in 1904, a rule was adopted which stated that a baserunner shall be declared "...out if he touch home base before a baserunner preceding him in the batting order...."
The rule was expanded in 1907 to include a baserunner who passed a preceding runner in a rundown.

Or even worse......... :rolleyes:

xtremeump
 

Irish, I realy respect you and your comments, but when you really think about it CLONES are the enemy of realistic Officiating. Being a State Interpreter you have seen them. I know that there are some very smart Umpires on here, and I have learned from them. But some of the comments are CLONE coments...:eek:

I have really thought about it, and I've somehow managed to not come to that conclusion. Umpires running around inventing mechanics that are not recognized by their partners, or being where they should not be - those are the "enemy of realistic umpiring" if there is such a thing.

That play almost did happen in my fathers slow pitch league many years ago. There were bases loaded, 2 outs, last inning. I don't recall the score. The runner at third is walking home, while the runners on second and first are sprinting trying to score. By the time the runner from 3rd gets near the plate the runner on second is going into a slide and the runner from 1st is right behind him.

The throw also came in at about the same time. The R1 (3b) touched the plate, R2 slide in under the tag, and R3 was nailed at the plate for the third out.

The only reason I know this is it was part of a discussion on the way to MIS for the NASCAR race Sunday. One of the players involved is still an idiot working at the same place and they were talking stories of his stupidity (he was the runner on 3rd).

From what I recall, and they recall, had the catcher been touching the plate when the ball was caught, R1 would have been out as a force, from a ball that was a double off the bat.

xtremeump
 

Please do not think that I am refering to most of you guys. It is a slang word that I picked up for Umpires that will not change for the good of the game. Umpires that were never trained by a school or clinic. But now they are a 30 year Umpire, & I after goine to real training and schools try to show them the new way of officiating. They do not listen, they are CLONES, they will not change at all, and they will not attened any clinics. I know that we feal diferent about a few things but I can get past that. We are in the position that we are in because we voluntered at one point in our life. Now it is our lifestyle, & i would not change a thing. Quality of LIFE is more important than anything. Sorry for the rant.