What's your call?

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHVNBppFGGY

[Insane Blue]

Bad Video bad angle no way to see where everyone is. So would have to back the call

[Scooby]

Looks like the runner attempted to slide (a poor attempt) and the defensive player dropped the ball. I have safe. But I saw no malice on the part of the runner.

[3afan]

Originally Posted by Scooby

Looks like the runner attempted to slide (a poor attempt) and the defensive player dropped the ball. I have safe. But I saw no malice on the part of the runner.

agree with that

[MD Longhorn]

An umpire that called this malicious needs to hang em up. Safe.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by Scooby

Looks like the runner attempted to slide (a poor attempt) and the defensive player dropped the ball. I have safe. But I saw no malice on the part of the runner.

Hard (for me anyway) to tell just when (and what caused) the ball to be dropped. just sayin.

(never mind, using full screen, the ball comes out on the tag)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Sounds more like making excuses for not making a tough call.

Well, speaking ASA & NFHS, I'm going the other way.

8.7.Q & 8-6-13 has no requirement for the act to be intentional or malicious. If you check the clip at :44, you will see the runner still upright just prior to contact (actually higher than the player making the tag), leading with a knee.

Just bending a knee and lifting one's feet does not constitute a slide. In NFHS where they define a legal slide, this action doesn't even come close to meeting the specification of a leg and buttock being on the ground.

I'm calling the runner out. It is a shame it was a poor "attempt", if that, to slide, but being poor at a performance mechanic does not absolve the player and certainly wouldn't be any comfort to the player on the other end of the collision.

Personally, I wouldn't put it by some of these coaches to teach this method of contacting a defender simply so they have a back-up argument if the call doesn't go their way.

[MD Longhorn]

Mike, part of my reason for not seeing this as illegal is this - bad video aside, look at where the plate is relative to where she starts sliding. If she slides any earlier, she never makes it to the plate. This tag is made a good 4-5 feet up the line, she can't be expected to be much further along in her slide than she is.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, speaking ASA & NFHS, I'm going the other way.

8.7.Q & 8-6-13 has no requirement for the act to be intentional or malicious. If you check the clip at :44, you will see the runner still upright just prior to contact (actually higher than the player making the tag), leading with a knee.

Just bending a knee and lifting one's feet does not constitute a slide. In NFHS where they define a legal slide, this action doesn't even come close to meeting the specification of a leg and buttock being on the ground.

I'm calling the runner out. It is a shame it was a poor "attempt", if that, to slide, but being poor at a performance mechanic does not absolve the player and certainly wouldn't be any comfort to the player on the other end of the collision.

I'm confused by your ruling from a NFHS perspective. While it may be the case that this isn't a legal slide by definition, there is no requirement in FED to slide on a tag play at home. She may go in standing up as long as the contact isn't malicious. I didn't see anything (given the video quality) that would give me the impression that she did anything malicious.

I thought legality of slides is taken into consideration when a fielder is attempting to make a play on another runner, such as on the pivot person during a double play.