ASA championship vs league rules

[chapmaja]

One thing to remember. ASA rules apply only to ASA championship play. League's may use ASA rules and they may use strict ASA rules (the entire rule book), or they may modify the ASA rules to fit their needs. While ASA Championship play requires a team to forfeit a game when they go short handed due to an ejection, many leagues likely do not.

The modification of ASA rules for league games is a $$$$$$$ issue. If a team starts with 10 players (SP), and one gets ejected, the team has still paid a substantial amount of money, and would lose what they played due to the actions of one idiot. By allowing the team to continue playing, you still allow those who are legally playing to continue playing.

The ASA ruled league I umpire in has modified a bunch of rules (thrown bat, not one of them) to fit the needs to the players in the league. We allow a team (SP, and girls FP) to start with 8 players for example. This is because they paid their money, drove to the facility (often at a substantial distance), and want to play.

The league management has also chosen not to allow stealing (SP), depsite ASA allowing it.

What other modifications have you seen made for league play in leagues that use ASA rules.

This is mainly targeted towards SP, but also girls FP discussions are welcome as well.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

One thing to remember. ASA rules apply only to ASA championship play.

ASA rules apply to all ASA sanctioned events.

LRAMBF.

[Andy]

That list could be very long...here are a few that I can remember over the years.

Must slide on a "close" play
No stealing (FP and SP)
No dropped third Strike (FP)
No Infield fly (FP)
Bat the entire lineup
Add an EP (FP)
Players may not slide if they are not wearing a protective slider or pants (same league with the "must slide" rule)
May continue to play shorthanded after ejection
Pitcher's box (SP)
Safety (allow a runner on third to start off the base near the coaches box)
SP Mat
Double plate (similar to Senior SP ) in Co-Ed SP
Time limits (FP and SP)
Run ahead rules

[MD Longhorn]

Reasonable and acceptable local rules (IMHO, obviously):

Time Limits
Bat the order / changes to CR rules due to batting the order
Run limits/rules.

Everything else (again, imho) is a detriment to the league, and to the players in the long run.

[Manny A]

For some of our ASA-based girls FP rec leagues, among many of the mods that have already been mentioned, they limit pitchers to 12 outs. That keeps coaches who are blessed with a good pitcher from dominating the entire game. Of course, the workaround is to have the pitcher go the first two or three innings, then finish up at the end.

We also have a couple of 12U leagues that let the younger girls to pitch from 35 feet away, as if they were playing in a 10U league. Not a problem except that the fields don't have a plate that's 35' away. They just chalk a line from that distance, which goes away pretty quickly.

They also allow 10 players on defense (four outfielders).

Sorry; can't answer questions about SP because I refuse to do those games.

[ASA Ump MN]

12' arc and the pitcher being able to pitch from behind the pitching plate.

[DaveASA/FED]

Run rule per inning
No walk rule in 10U league. (strike count stays with batter coach pitches till girl strikes out or gets a hit)

[azgreg]

Here in the Phoenix area most leagues have a middle closed option.

[DeputyUICHousto]

While I understand the concept of closing the middle, unless you put up a net or some type of barricade this rule doesn't really protect a pitcher. If the pitcher gets hit by a batted ball even with a middle closed rule he's still hit. It still hurts. I also understand the possible deterrent to hitting up the middle if this rule is in place. However, most of the lower level SP players don't have bat control and only want to hit the ball hard. They have no clue where the ball is going.

If you want to protect the pitcher then make the batter's box more narrow and get the batter up on the plate. That way the pitcher can hit the inside corner for a strike and know the ball won't come back at him at 100mph. The problem with implementing this is getting umpires to enforce the rule. The path of least resistance (i.e. not causing a confrontation with a batter) would prevail.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by azgreg

Here in the Phoenix area most leagues have a middle closed option.

Well, some people play the game and some people are played by the game.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

What other modifications have you seen made for league play in leagues that use ASA rules.

This is mainly targeted towards SP, but also girls FP discussions are welcome as well.

Some of the ones I can remember for our city league (speaking coed SP):

* Both genders use the same sized ball.
* Can bat 8, 10, 12, or 14.
* Can finish a game with as few as 8 due to injury, ejection, etc.
* Courtesy runner - last out of the same gender as replaced runner.
* 65 minute time limit
* 20 after 4 / 12 after 5 run rule
* (New this year) Courtesy foul with 2 strikes.
* (State rule) Pitcher has a 2' x 6' box for pitching instead of the PP.

[Tru_in_Blu]

[QUOTE=Stat-Man;898018]Some of the ones I can remember for our city league (speaking coed SP):

* Both genders use the same sized ball.QUOTE]

I never understood why women use the smaller ball for slow pitch and/or when batting during co-ed games. I mean, many of these women played fast-pitch at some point in their lives. If a 12-year old girl can manage to catch, throw, and hit the 12" ball, what's the logic about going to the smaller ball once they're "grown up"?

And, if a woman is pitching in co-ed, why doesn't she get to throw the small ball?

Don't get all wound up - this is mostly rhetorical.

[Andy]

[QUOTE=Tru_in_Blu;898658]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Some of the ones I can remember for our city league (speaking coed SP):

* Both genders use the same sized ball.QUOTE]

I never understood why women use the smaller ball for slow pitch and/or when batting during co-ed games. I mean, many of these women played fast-pitch at some point in their lives. If a 12-year old girl can manage to catch, throw, and hit the 12" ball, what's the logic about going to the smaller ball once they're "grown up"?

And, if a woman is pitching in co-ed, why doesn't she get to throw the small ball?

Don't get all wound up - this is mostly rhetorical.

I have often wondered the same thing. My ASA state commissioner is going to try an invitational co-ed tournament with the men using a 14" ball and the women using a 12" ball...could be interesting to see how that works out.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Some of the ones I can remember for our city league (speaking coed SP):

* Both genders use the same sized ball.
* Can bat 8, 10, 12, or 14.
* Can finish a game with as few as 8 due to injury, ejection, etc.
* Courtesy runner - last out of the same gender as replaced runner.
* 65 minute time limit
* 20 after 4 / 12 after 5 run rule
* (New this year) Courtesy foul with 2 strikes.
* (State rule) Pitcher has a 2' x 6' box for pitching instead of the PP.

We use many of these.

Same sized ball.

Team can bat, 10 or 12 in a normal line-up (co-rec). Men's and women's teams can use either a 10, 11 or bat around lineup. If a team has two males or females bat consecutively there is an out, UNLESS the teams agree prior to the game to use an alternate format. This can be 5-4, 5-3, 6-3, 6-4, 7-5

We also allow them to start with as few as 8 players (all leagues). They must maintained a minimum of 8 to continue the game. Falling below 8 means the game ends and a forfeit declared.

We use a 75 minute time limit, no stealing and start with a 0-0 count. We don't allow a courtesy foul, a foul on strike 3 is an out.

We also have many leagues with a no over the fence home run rule. It is an out if someone hits it over the fence for what would be a HR. (Had an argument last year about this).

We also allow the 2 by 6 pitchers box for the pitcher, not just the PP.

The argument last year was a ball hit deep to LF. The fielder runs, has the ball bounce off the glove and over the fence. I ruled a 4 base award. The LF ran in arguing that it should be an out since it went over the fence. My ruling was since he touched it, it now becomes a 4 base award, not a home run, so the HR rule does not apply.

[MD Longhorn]

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