OBS or Tag Up

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I would not go inside on this particular play unless I noticed my partner staying at home (he shouldn't, but it could happen). It makes your tag-up angle at 2nd worse, and takes BR completely out of your vision. If you're at B, and take a few steps toward 2nd (toward whatever angle on the catch and 2nd base you feel is ideal for you), you can glance at 1st base for the touch and possible OBS. Obviously, if BR's approach of first base coincides with the catch, you aren't going to get it except for VERY peripherally (and maybe not even that), but at least you're in the best spot for the tag AND for possibly checking 1st base.

I'm confused.
I don't see how outside makes the tag up angle worse, especially coming from left side.
To me, getting inside, facing 2nd with 1st and left field seen peripherally would cover all and not be in any throwing lane.
Yes, if PU stays home, an angle switch to face 2nd & 3rd would be needed. In that case, PU is off 3rd base line, able to look toward 1st as usual.

[CecilOne]

I guess I presented ambiguity about PU and 3rd in this thread and my Mechanics Review thread.
That was based on most of my experience having pre-games that said PU stays home if any play. Now I see that PU is still responsible for 3rd, unless physically can't get there after a close play a home or some impediment.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I guess I presented ambiguity about PU and 3rd in this thread and my Mechanics Review thread.
That was based on most of my experience having pre-games that said PU stays home if any play. Now I see that PU is still responsible for 3rd, unless physically can't get there after a close play a home or some impediment one of the four exceptions listed in the ASA mechanics manual.

Fixed it for you

Cecil, I'm not picking here nor intend to offend. However, I have found it is better to stick to the language of the book, including mechanics and rules. We can argue the validity of the issues ("outside-inside theory") but keeping to a common language is key. Just like the mechanics themselves, they are STANDARD so we don't have pre-games where people are freelancing and you have no idea what they are doing.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I don't see how outside makes the tag up angle worse, especially coming from left side.
To me, getting inside, facing 2nd with 1st and left field seen peripherally would cover all and not be in any throwing lane.

I said inside makes the tag up angle worse...
Being inside facing 2nd (unless you back up almost to the circle), you can't see both the catch on the LF line and anything at first (assuming your eyeballs are not in your ears. ) Besides, if possible, you don't want a peripheral angle on the first touch by LF... you'd like that in your direct background as you're watching the touch (or the touch in your foreground as you see the first touch by LF).

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I said inside makes the tag up angle worse...
Being inside facing 2nd (unless you back up almost to the circle), you can't see both the catch on the LF line and anything at first (assuming your eyeballs are not in your ears. ) Besides, if possible, you don't want a peripheral angle on the first touch by LF... you'd like that in your direct background as you're watching the touch (or the touch in your foreground as you see the first touch by LF).

My mistype (again!), obviously "INSIDE worse" is what I was disagreeing with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CecilOne
I don't see how INSIDE makes the tag up angle worse, especially coming from left side.
To me, getting inside, facing 2nd with 1st and left field seen peripherally would cover all and not be in any throwing lane.

How do you see the LF touch at alll when outside (yes meant outside this time)?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

How do you see the LF touch at alll when outside (yes meant outside this time)?

I said to be between B and 2nd base. Ideally nearly lining up 2nd base with that catch in LF.

As general clarification ... if you can't get to that spot (bad knees, old knees, or too low of a fly to get there), then the spot everyone else is advocating is where you want to be. I'm just trying to say outside (on the B side of 2nd) is better on THIS play.

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I said to be between B and 2nd base. Ideally nearly lining up 2nd base with that catch in LF.

As general clarification ... if you can't get to that spot (bad knees, old knees, or too low of a fly to get there), then the spot everyone else is advocating is where you want to be. I'm just trying to say outside (on the B side of 2nd) is better on THIS play.

This one is starting to make sense to me now...

At a minimum it eliminates having 1B behind you, and can put everything in front of you. Of course, you need a wide-angle lens.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I said to be between B and 2nd base. Ideally nearly lining up 2nd base with that catch in LF.

As general clarification ... if you can't get to that spot (bad knees, old knees, or too low of a fly to get there), then the spot everyone else is advocating is where you want to be. I'm just trying to say outside (on the B side of 2nd) is better on THIS play.

Oh, you are saying move from "C" across behind 2nd instead of into the diamond.
Didn't get that earlier and now I get the view of the catch, but still harder to see 1st or cover 3rd if needed.
OK, but non-standard and probably confusing/distracting to the PU.

p.s. No mobility problem here.