NYY v BO

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is true until the tag attempt is over. It's no longer a tag attempt once the original one is missed and the catcher is on his hands and knees after missing the original tag.

Agree. At the moment the tag was attempted, Ichiro twisted his body to avoid, and the twist did not take him more than three feet from the line between him and home.

If Wieters was chasing Ichiro from behind, then he would have been in violation. But because the tag attempt was virtually instantaneous, Ichiro would have had to take a quick right turn from the point of the tag to violate the rule.

[Big Slick]

Suppose the O's catcher tags the plate while making some motion/indication that he is (live ball) appealing a missed base. Would you have an out?

And no, I'm not asking about the "accidental appeal" of touching the plate while trying to tag the runner (which almost happened).

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Suppose the O's catcher tags the plate while making some motion/indication that he is (live ball) appealing a missed base. Would you have an out?

In baseball, No. An appeal like that is not allowed if the runner is immediately trying to return to the base. When that happens, the fielder must tag the runner to record the out. An appeal would only be valid if the runner is making no attempt to return to the plate after he misses it.

Is it different in softball?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Manny A

In baseball, No. An appeal like that is not allowed if the runner is immediately trying to return to the base. When that happens, the fielder must tag the runner to record the out. An appeal would only be valid if the runner is making no attempt to return to the plate after he misses it.

Is it different in softball?

I would consider this a live ball appeal of missing a base, just like missing first base. However, the catcher would have to give an indication that he is appealing the missed base, not just merely touching the plate (the 'accidental appeal'). But I would give some leeway as to what constitutes an indication.

That would be a great heads up play, but then again, they are catcher's for a reason.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

I would consider this a live ball appeal of missing a base, just like missing first base. However, the catcher would have to give an indication that he is appealing the missed base, not just merely touching the plate (the 'accidental appeal'). But I would give some leeway as to what constitutes an indication.

That would be a great heads up play, but then again, they are catcher's for a reason.

Again, it is NOT possible, under pro baseball rules, to appeal a miss of the plate under these circumstances. After Ichiro avoided the tag and missed the plate, he immediately attempted to return to touch it. If Wieters had tagged the plate and given some indication to appeal as you state, the PU would not have acknowledged the appeal.

I don't have access to my softball rules right now, so I'm soliciting a rule citation under ASA, NFHS, and/or NCAA that would support your claim.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Manny A

...Is it different in softball?

Originally Posted by Manny A

Again, it is NOT possible, under pro baseball rules...

OK, you ask for the softball ruling, and then continue to argue baseball?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Dakota

OK, you ask for the softball ruling, and then continue to argue baseball?

Both of my baseball responses were in answer to Big Slick, whom I thought was asking from a baseball perspective. He never mentioned "softball" or "speaking ASA" or something similar in his second post, so I thought he was still talking about the Yankees/O's game.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I don't have access to my softball rules right now, so I'm soliciting a rule citation under ASA, NFHS, and/or NCAA that would support your claim.

For ASA, RS #1 - Appeal and the procedure for live ball appeals. This can only happen in two different locations: first base (inclusive of the double first base) and home. If it happens at 2nd and 3rd, they would still be in jeopardy to be put out.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

I would consider this a live ball appeal of missing a base, just like missing first base.

Not in OBR. By rule. (Perhaps in FED, I don't know those baseball rules quite as well.)