Here's one for you

[rwest]

Here's the scenario.

R1 on 1B. B2 hits a pop fly in foul territory near third base. R1 thinking there are two outs advances to 2nd. The coach realizing there is only 1 out interferes with F5's attempt to catch the ball.

What do you have in ASA?
What do you have in FED?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by rwest

Here's the scenario.

R1 on 1B. B2 hits a pop fly in foul territory near third base. R1 thinking there are two outs advances to 2nd. The coach realizing there is only 1 out interferes with F5's attempt to catch the ball.

What do you have in ASA?
What do you have in FED?

Are you asking if a coach can be called for INT on a double play, like a retired runner?
I doubt if there is any such wording in the book, but definitely UC.

[RadioBlue]

FED ruling:

3-5-5 Pen.

R1 is out. Foul ball. Batter remains at bat.

Wow ... the penalty doesn't fit the crime here. Seems like you should be able to get two outs here.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

FED ruling:

3-5-5 Pen.

R1 is out. Foul ball. Batter remains at bat.

Wow ... the penalty doesn't fit the crime here. Seems like you should be able to get two outs here.

Look at 7-4-12 Penalty.

[RadioBlue]

Whoops ... you're right. 3-5-5 specifically excludes a base coach. 3-5-6 is the applicable rule in FED. You've got two outs here which makes a whole lot more sense to me.

ART. 6 . . . If any offensive team member, other than a runner or retired runner,
interferes with a batted fair ball or foul fly ball, the batter is declared out. If,
in the judgment of the umpire, the interference prevented a possible double play,
the batter and runner closest to home shall be declared out.
PENALTY: (Art. 6) The ball is dead immediately and the batter and runner may
be out. (8-6-16,17,19; 7-4-12)

[rwest]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Are you asking if a coach can be called for INT on a double play, like a retired runner?
I doubt if there is any such wording in the book, but definitely UC.

Check FED rule book 7-4-12. You can get a DP on this. But not in ASA.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by rwest

Check FED rule book 7-4-12. You can get a DP on this. But not in ASA.

My focus is entirely ASA right now, National this week and no HS since May.
I read RADIO's post.

What do think of UC in either rules?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

My focus is entirely ASA right now, National this week and no HS since May.
I read RADIO's post.

What do think of UC in either rules?

I believe we should only use UC when there is not a more specific rule that covers the particular play. If there is a rule that is exactly on point, we need to use this rule and I believe we have that in this case. I wouldn't use UC.

[MD Longhorn]

I have 2 outs here - ASA rules posted above.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

I believe we should only use UC when there is not a more specific rule that covers the particular play. If there is a rule that is exactly on point, we need to use this rule and I believe we have that in this case. I wouldn't use UC.

Disagree. An UC has nothing to do with any number of outs which may be ruled, but the conduct of the individual whether the result of the act is covered by a rule or not.

I would have to see how the coach interfered. If did anything to initiate physical contact with F5, that coach is done, period.

And before you start, it is nothing at all like two participating players making contact, as the coach has zero excuse for moving toward a fielder.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by rwest

Check FED rule book 7-4-12. You can get a DP on this. But not in ASA.

What about ASA 7.6.I and 8.7.O? Which one do you use? Is it an either/or situation, or can you combine the two if you feel the base coach did something intentional?

7.6.I: [The batter is out] When members of the team at bat, including those in the team area, other than runners interfere with a player attempting to field a fair or foul fly ball.

8.7.O: [The runner is out] When a coach intentionally interferes with a batted or thrown ball, or interferes with the defensive team’s opportunity to make a play on another runner.

I'm confused...