Colored base question

[Linknblue]

ASA - On overthrows on batter-runner the defense can use the colored base and the BR can use the white base to avoid collisions. I get that.

Situation in question is: Runner on 1st, flyball to right/center field is caught, runner didn't tag and was off the base. Ball comes back from OF to 1st base but pulls 1st baseman off white bag to colored bag and colored bag is tagged prior to runner getting back.

I know you can use either the white or orange when when runner is tagging up
but it doesn't say anything about defense using colored on live appeal.

What do we have?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

ASA - On overthrows on batter-runner the defense can use the colored base and the BR can use the white base to avoid collisions. I get that.

Situation in question is: Runner on 1st, flyball to right/center field is caught, runner didn't tag and was off the base. Ball comes back from OF to 1st base but pulls 1st baseman off white bag to colored bag and colored bag is tagged prior to runner getting back.

I know you can use either the white or orange when when runner is tagging up
but it doesn't say anything about defense using colored on live appeal.

What do we have?

With the exception of plays on a batter-runner, there is just one big double base for both the offense and defense. It isn't any more complicated than that.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Linknblue

ASA - On overthrows on batter-runner the defense can use the colored base and the BR can use the white base to avoid collisions. I get that.

Situation in question is: Runner on 1st, flyball to right/center field is caught, runner didn't tag and was off the base. Ball comes back from OF to 1st base but pulls 1st baseman off white bag to colored bag and colored bag is tagged prior to runner getting back.

I know you can use either the white or orange when when runner is tagging up
but it doesn't say anything about defense using colored on live appeal.

What do we have?

Another out.....

[jwwashburn]

I need clarification on a related issue.

ASA rules.

I do not think the book covers a situation where the fielder uses the colored part when she is not supposed to use it.

A first baseman who has fielded a grounder in fair territory is required to use the white part of the bag. This is clear. If that fielder goes to the colored part, the intention of the rule would have me assume that the runner gets whatever part she wants, right?

Did I just make any sense?

Joe in Florida

[RKBUmp]

If F3 fields the ball and goes to the orange portion of the bag, batter/runner is safe. Defense must use the white portion unless a throw is coming from foul territory or an errant throw pulls them onto the orange. F3 setting up on the orange, or fielding the ball and going to the orange is the same as being off the bag.

[jwwashburn]

I know the what the defense is supposed to do.

My question was not about that.


My question is what can the runner do if the defense uses the wrong base?

[RKBUmp]

If the defensive player has gone to the colored portion and forced the offensive player to the white, are you really going to try and penalize the offense for a mistake by the defense?

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

A first baseman who has fielded a grounder in fair territory is required to use the white part of the bag. This is clear. If that fielder goes to the colored part, the intention of the rule would have me assume that the runner gets whatever part she wants, right?

Did I just make any sense?

Joe in Florida

You describe a ground ball to F3. F3 fields the ball (cleanly) and touches the orange part of the base.

Your question is, "What obligation does the B/R have?" IMJ, F3 has not touched the proper portion of the bag because the ball was fielded in fair territory. The B/R, still has an obligation to touch the colored base, UNLESS there is risk of collision. I would not penalize B/R for using the white base if the two bodies were in close proximity. This is a HTBT situation.