Rosin Bag on the field

[alabamabluezebra]

Since I only call Dixie, I was wondering how other associations handle a pitcher using a rosin bag. Do you allow the bag on the field? If not, where should the bag be kept until the pitcher needs it?

[Dakota]

ASA allows the resin bag to be kept on the field and used "under the supervision and control of the umpire..."

ASA specifies that the bag is to be kept on the ground behind the pitcher's plate.

The ASA rule is 6F-6A.

[Skahtboi]

And even in Dixie I follow those guidelines.

[greymule]

When my father was a kid in the 1930s, he attended many games at Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds. When the game was over, the fans could use the playing field to walk to the exits. Often, the resin bag was still lying behind the mound and, wonder of wonders, everyone just left it there.

[alabamabluezebra]

We allowed the pitcher to keep the rosin bag on the field directly behind her. Dixie rules are not clear on this specific matter.

6:06 — THE PITCHER SHALL NOT AT ANY TIME DURING THE GAME BE ALLOWED TO USE TAPE OR OTHER SUBSTANCE(S) UPON THE BALL, THE PITCHING HAND OR FINGERS; NOR SHALL ANY OTHER PLAYER APPLY ANY FOREIGN SUBSTANCE(S) TO THE BALL. Under the supervision and control of the umpire, powdered resin may be used to dry the hands. The pitcher shall not wear a sweatband, bracelet, flesh colored bandage or similar type item on the wrist, forearm or arm, that is visible on the pitching arm.

It does not mention if the bag can be left on the field or not.

[Skahtboi]

Originally posted by alabamabluezebra
It does not mention if the bag can be left on the field or not.

So that is where it falls under your jurisdiction/discretion. I see no problem in leaving it on the field directly behind the pitcher.

[greymule]

Question of the day:

For $1 million:

What is the difference between resin and rosin, and which one applies to the bag that lies behind the mound?

[SamNVa]

Main Entry: res·in
Pronunciation: 're-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French resine, from Latin resina; akin to Greek rhEtinE pine resin
Date: 14th century
1 a : any of various solid or semisolid amorphous fusible flammable natural organic substances that are usually transparent or translucent and yellowish to brown, are formed especially in plant secretions, are soluble in organic solvents (as ether) but not in water, are electrical nonconductors, and are used chiefly in varnishes, printing inks, plastics, and sizes and in medicine b : ROSIN
2 a : any of a large class of synthetic products that have some of the physical properties of natural resins but are different chemically and are used chiefly in plastics b : any various products made from a natural resin or a natural polymer

Main Entry: ros·in
Pronunciation: 'rä-z&n, 'ro-, dial 'ro-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, modification of Middle French resine resin
Date: 13th century
: a translucent amber-colored to almost black brittle friable resin that is obtained by chemical means from the oleoresin or deadwood of pine trees or from tall oil and used especially in making varnish, paper size, soap, and soldering flux and in rosining violin bows

So rosin, the stuff in the rosin bag is a form of resin.

Ok, where do I go to pick up my $1 Million

SamC


[Edited by SamNVa on Jun 27th, 2003 at 02:55 PM]

[Dakota]

OK, the $1M is taken... Maybe my Bible reference is good for some extra credit... but anyway, the words are essentially synonymous...

Resin
2 entries found.

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]

Resin \Res"in\ (r?z"?n), n. [F. r['e]sine, L. resina; cf. Gr.
"rhti`nh Cf. {Rosin}.]
Any one of a class of yellowish brown solid inflammable
substances, of vegetable origin, which are nonconductors of
electricity, have a vitreous fracture, and are soluble in
ether, alcohol, and essential oils, but not in water;
specif., pine resin (see {Rosin}).

Note: Resins exude from trees in combination with essential
oils, gums, etc., and in a liquid or semiliquid state.
They are composed of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, and
are supposed to be formed by the oxidation of the
essential oils. Copal, mastic, quaiacum, and colophony
or pine resin, are some of them. When mixed with gum,
they form the gum resins, like asafetida and gamboge;
mixed with essential oils, they frorm balsams, or
oleoresins.

{Highgate resin} (Min.), a fossil resin resembling copal,
occuring in blue clay at Highgate, near London.

{Resin bush} (Bot.), a low composite shrub ({Euryops
speciosissimus}) of South Africa, having smooth pinnately
parted leaves and abounding in resin.

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]

resin
n : any of a class of solid or semisolid viscous substances
obtained either as exudations from certain plants or
prepared by polymerization of simple molecules [syn: {rosin}]

Rosin
4 entries found.

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]

Rosin \Ros"in\, n. [A variant of resin.]
The hard, amber-colored resin left after distilling off the
volatile oil of turpentine; colophony.

{Rosin oil}, an oil obtained from the resin of the pine tree,
-- used by painters and for lubricating machinery, etc.

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]

Rosin \Ros"in\, v. t.
To rub with rosin, as musicians rub the bow of a violin.

Or with the rosined bow torment the string. --Gay.

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]

rosin
n : any of a class of solid or semisolid viscous substances
obtained either as exudations from certain plants or
prepared by polymerization of simple molecules [syn: {resin}]
v : rub rosin onto, as of violin bows

From Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary [easton]

Rosin
found only in Authorized Version, margin, Ezek. 27:17, Heb.
tsori, uniformly rendered elsewhere "balm" (q.v.), as here in
the text. The Vulgate has resinam, rendered "rosin" in the Douay
Version. As used, however, by Jerome, the Lat. resina denotes
some odoriferous gum or oil.

[greymule]

Well, I asked for it.

A+ with gold stars to you both, with a summa cum laude to Dakota for the scriptural reference.

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[bluezebra]

OBR 8.02: "(e) The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated. All umpires shall carry with them one official rosin bag. The umpire in chief is responsible for placing the rosin bag on the ground back of the pitcher's plate. If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag."

So, what's the problem with leaving the rosin bag on the field?

Bob

[Skahtboi]

I don't know that there is one. What are baseball rules doing being quoted in a softball forum?

[bluezebra]

Originally posted by Skahtboi
I don't know that there is one. What are baseball rules doing being quoted in a softball forum?

There's a problem, because someone questioned the legality of leaving the rosin bag on the field.

Because it's a universal rule. If there's a rosin bag, it's allowed to stay on the field behind the pitcher's mound.

Bob

[commteacher]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

There's a problem, because someone questioned the legality of leaving the rosin bag on the field.

Because it's a universal rule. If there's a rosin bag, it's allowed to stay on the field behind the pitcher's mound.

Bob

Can the pitcher who brought the rosin bag out of the dugout, take it with her when the inning is over? OR Does she have to leave it on the field for the opposing pitcher to use or, even worse have the opposing pitcher take it with her when she leaves the field??

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by commteacher

Can the pitcher who brought the rosin bag out of the dugout, take it with her when the inning is over? OR Does she have to leave it on the field for the opposing pitcher to use or, even worse have the opposing pitcher take it with her when she leaves the field??

She can certainly take it with her.