Another WCWS Call: Runner Hit by Batted Ball

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

It may also depend on what it means to be past the fielder or "passed the fielder".

If there was no other fielder with a play then:

In OBR baseball passed means within reach so it's an out because it wasn't within reach of the fielder.

In FED baseball it's not an out because it was past (behind) the fielder.

I don't know what NCAA SB uses but it's something you have to check before a rush to judgement or a bad call.

I know the OBR interpretation. I know the FED baseball interpretation. Of course, neither would apply here.

Note that I did refer to the NCAA rule book before posting. To answer my own question, what I was missing was the shot with F4 sliding in behind the runner with an apparent play on the ball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Note that I did refer to the NCAA rule book before posting. To answer my own question, what I was missing was the shot with F4 sliding in behind the runner with an apparent play on the ball.

Well, F4 was coming, but whether she had a reasonable opportunity to make a play on the runner or batter-runner may be questionable, she was a little deep for my liking.

But it is what it is.

[KJUmp]

Loved the shot of the Hawaii 1stBC with the hat on backwards. Nothing like wearing it "properly and as designed" at a nationally televised NCAA regional.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, F4 was coming, but whether she had a reasonable opportunity to make a play on the runner or batter-runner may be questionable, she was a little deep for my liking.

But it is what it is.

The opportunity certainly would have been more "reasonable" if the runner didn't interfere.

What I didn't care for was how quickly the 1BU killed the play though. We obviously need to kill the play and not have it continue too long as that could lead to confusion, but wouldn't be a good idea to look at the other potential defender? Perhaps he saw her in his peripheral, but would it kill to turn your head to actually look where she was?

[ronald]

thought i saw on the camera angle from 1st base side up high a slight turn of the head at first contact of ball by runner. anyways, i think it was a great call.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

The opportunity certainly would have been more "reasonable" if the runner didn't interfere.

What I didn't care for was how quickly the 1BU killed the play though. We obviously need to kill the play and not have it continue too long as that could lead to confusion, but wouldn't be a good idea to look at the other potential defender? Perhaps he saw her in his peripheral, but would it kill to turn your head to actually look where she was?

Um.
I agree with you.

[Andy]

UIC for this regional agrees that the interference call was correct due to F4 potentially having a play on the batted ball after it passed F3.

As to the question of U1 seeing F4 and using that as the basis of his ruling...we don't know

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

UIC for this regional agrees that the interference call was correct due to F4 potentially having a play on the batted ball after it passed F3.

As to the question of U1 seeing F4 and using that as the basis of his ruling...we don't know

And there is nothing wrong with that. We could sit back and watch reruns all day long, but the guy on the field doesn't have that type of advantage and must make an immediate decision.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by BretMan

I know the OBR interpretation. I know the FED baseball interpretation. Of course, neither would apply here.

Note that I did refer to the NCAA rule book before posting. To answer my own question, what I was missing was the shot with F4 sliding in behind the runner with an apparent play on the ball.

So how does NCAA SB interpret past or passed? It matters does it not?

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

So how does NCAA SB interpret past or passed? It matters does it not?

Sadly we have no NCAA ball here in The Last Frontier but I believe this is the same in ASA and NFHS as NCAA.. yes the ball is clearly past F3 so the ball hitting the runner would be ok.. unless the umpire judges that another fielder had a chance to make a play. Then if untouched batted ball hits a runner we still have int.

Having seen the replay I believe this is what B1 called and I think it's a great call. I am going to give the benifit of the doubt to B1 that he did actually see the other fielder coming in to have a play and that's why he make it. I am not convinced we can tell from TV what was and was not in his field of vision.

[roadking]

Good call, F4 clearly had a play.

[IRISHMAFIA]

The difference with NCAA is that the rule only requests that the second fielder have a play. ASA, NFHS, ISF and probably a few others require the umpire judge the fielder could have put out a runner.

After checking the clip by frame, F4 who was moving away from the IF may have stopped the ball from going to the OF, but don't believe there was any possibility she would have had a play on any runner. Remember, a play is the attempt by the defense to retire a BR/R, not just fielding the ball.

[shagpal]

"blue - we will never know if my fielder had the out because you let that runner interfere with my fielders opportunity to have a play on the ball. (wait for your response). well, you better check your tivo when you get home because everyone else will be replaying this one. you better go back to asa 10u to guess your outs."

then the coach will walk away.

now, what is your difference between a "play" and an out?

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The difference with NCAA is that the rule only requests that the second fielder have a play. ASA, NFHS, ISF and probably a few others require the umpire judge the fielder could have put out a runner.

After checking the clip by frame, F4 who was moving away from the IF may have stopped the ball from going to the OF, but don't believe there was any possibility she would have had a play on any runner. Remember, a play is the attempt by the defense to retire a BR/R, not just fielding the ball.

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by shagpal

"blue - we will never know if my fielder had the out because you let that runner interfere with my fielders opportunity to have a play on the ball. (wait for your response).

Ooooh, Ooooh, I know this one.....

Originally Posted by shagpal

well, you better check your tivo when you get home because everyone else will be replaying this one. you better go back to asa 10u to guess your outs."

then the coach will walk away.

Would that be to his TIVO in his Winnebago?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

Would that be to his TIVO in his Winnebago?

You mean he doesn't have a TIVO-equipped indicator for instant review?