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Not this year.
At least primarily my fault this time; I neglected to take the test on time. So much going on, I simply forgot.
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another excellent post...other than drinking bad beer, you usually nail it..
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It was U3s call by the book, and if U3 sees the defense reach out to tag the runner and sees no space between the ball and the runner then U3 "saw" an out and makes the call based on that info. U3 may know at the time that the angle is bad and may go ahead and ask for help at the conclusion of the play or the coach may come out and ask U3 to get help based on the fact that U3 had a bad angle on the play.
This is NOT an appeal play. I had a similar play in a high school game using 2-man mechanics this weekend. R1 at 3B, BU (me) between 2B and 3B to the 3B side of F6. Ground ball to F6. I move as much as possible toward 1B for the call which since F6 is fielding the ball is not to much. F6's throw is a bit wide of 1B and F3 does a great job of catching the ball while falling to her right and stretching a toe out toward 1B. From my angle I could not see space between the foot and the bag, but I knew F3 was falling not only to the right of 1B but into the infield toward me creating an angle where I could potentially not see the foot come off the bag. I gave a big sell out call based on the info I had, and then called time. I did not wait for a coach to come ask me to get help, I went to my partner who had the good angle on her coming off. He game me the info I needed and I immedeatly reversed the call. Done this way you avoid the perception that the coach came out and "talked you into it". I know the age old axiom "never guess an out" but I submit that this is not guessing. You are making a call based on the info you have. This truly looked like from my angle a great play by F3. But I knew I might have been fooled. However, if my partner didn't get a look (might be busy watching a runner touch 3B for example) then we have to go with what I saw. Last edited by UmpireErnie; Sun May 13, 2012 at 05:58pm. Reason: correct stupid typos |
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The reality is that everyone will be watching the play at first and no one pays attention to R3 touch home, at least not when there is a potential problem with the play at first. I would also expect that the plate umpire would line himself up properly and would be able to see both. This is a far better technique than making a call and then having to stop play to talk about it. You may end up having to place runners, you may put other runners in jeopardy, etc. It's just a big, unnecessary mess. If we can still "go for help" on a check swing when a runner is stealing, I think umpires can walk and chew gum at the same time at be able to see a runner step on a plate and still pay attention to first base. If the umpire can't, they we need to do a better job training them.
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I do not disagree with how you handled the play. Are you aware, though unless they have changed its mechanics, Federation allows the umpire to go for help immediately without making a safe or out call first? ASA, we do it how you did it. When I have a good pregame, we go over this play and how we will do it. Thanks, Ron |
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But we had just had an ASA state umpire school three weeks ago and just went over making a call first always then talking it over during a dead ball.. when the play happened that's what routine fired off in my head. Your reply made me go back and browse thru the NFHS Umpire's Manuel but I can't find where they address this issue. |
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What does the college mechanic teach nc2a guys? thanks, ron |
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"Umpires are explicitly advised and strongly urged to seek help on the following: >When they are missing, or could be missing, crucial information needed to make a judgement. >When they have a doubt. >When doubt has been created." "If you are missing a piece of information necessary to making a call, go to your partner, unsolicited, prior to rendering any decision." "If doubt is created immediately after making your call, then, again unsolicited go to your partner for the information needed." This season it's down to a paragraph in which the first three sentences read... "The are times by rule and circumstance that umpires need to ask for help. Going for help does not destroy an umpire's credibility, but allows an umpire to receive a piece of information that was missed when rendering a call. Anytime an umpire seeks help from a partner that partner must have a credible position to give assistance on the call." Last edited by KJUmp; Mon May 14, 2012 at 11:16am. |
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