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NCASAUmp Sat Mar 31, 2012 09:54am

I suppose we could look at it in the same way we look at bat rolling. The end result of rolling is roughly the same as repeated normal use of the bat, but we got there artificially.

Same thing with the ball - she's getting the ball to her desired state by artificial and direct means.

BretMan Sat Mar 31, 2012 08:14pm

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 835073)
How FOREIGN could it be? We play on it!

Thank you for illustrating the the ignorant argument I mentioned above.

Is dirt foreign to the field? Of course not.

Is it foreign to the ball? When you open a new ball from the package, is it covered with dirt? Is dirt part of the ball's manufactured characteristics or specifications?

Maybe it would be less confusing if instead of "foreign" we used the term "non-intristic" (then again, maybe not...).

EsqUmp Sat Mar 31, 2012 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 835139)
Thank you for illustrating the the ignorant argument I mentioned above.

Is dirt foreign to the field? Of course not.

Is it foreign to the ball? When you open a new ball from the package, is it covered with dirt? Is dirt part of the ball's manufactured characteristics or specifications?

Maybe it would be less confusing if instead of "foreign" we used the term "non-intristic" (then again, maybe not...).

It was sarcasm.

BretMan Sun Apr 01, 2012 09:29am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 835142)
It was sarcasm.

Didn't say it wasn't. Just said that it served to illustrate the argument I've heard many times when discussing dirt as a foreign substance.

Besides, how could the dirt be a foreign substance when we're playing the game right here on good old American soil? ;)

JEL Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 835190)
Didn't say it wasn't. Just said that it served to illustrate the argument I've heard many times when discussing dirt as a foreign substance.

Besides, how could the dirt be a foreign substance when we're playing the game right here on good old American soil? ;)

:rolleyes: Imported dirt?

tcannizzo Sun Apr 01, 2012 02:42pm

Well, that being said. Every speck of infield dirt is delivered by truck.

EsqUmp Sun Apr 01, 2012 07:45pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 835190)
Besides, how could the dirt be a foreign substance when we're playing the game right here on good old American soil? ;)

I had two games this year played on 99% turf. Only dirt was in front of the pitcher's plate. Hard to rub the ball up with rubber pellets.


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