NCAA lineup

[RKBUmp]

My daughters juco coach got busted twice in one game for not reporting position changes.

[KJUmp]

Nada

[MNBlue]

Once. Coach put nickname of player instead of first name. Other coach called her on it. We called her out after she got a hit. Offensive coach was obviously irate.

We sent the scenario to Dee and she said we ruled correctly.

A friend of mine had the coach put 51 instead of 15. Other coach caught it and waited for an opportune time to bring it up.

[Rich Ives]

RKBump: You have to report position changes?

MNBlue: If I put "Cassie Smith" instead of "Cassandra Smith" on the lineup it's a violation?

Is the softball world that nuts?

And folks wonder why I "ignore" the issues on the SB side of our league.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

RKBump: You have to report position changes?

MNBlue: If I put "Cassie Smith" instead of "Cassandra Smith" on the lineup it's a violation?

Is the softball world that nuts?

And folks wonder why I "ignore" the issues on the SB side of our league.

Actually, she put Boomer instead of Jessica.

NCAA requires defensive position changes to be reported.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

NCAA requires defensive position changes to be reported.

Considering that the actual spots on the field played by the various positions (other than pitcher and catcher) are not defined - how in the world could this be enforced? What's the penalty? What if I move my CF into the infield (or my 2B out to the outfield) and use an unorthodox lineup for a batter for whatever reason?

Blue: Coach - you switched your 2B and SS without telling me.
Coach: That's where we put our SS - on the right side of the bag.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Considering that the actual spots on the field played by the various positions (other than pitcher and catcher) are not defined - how in the world could this be enforced? What's the penalty? What if I move my CF into the infield (or my 2B out to the outfield) and use an unorthodox lineup for a batter for whatever reason?

Blue: Coach - you switched your 2B and SS without telling me.
Coach: That's where we put our SS - on the right side of the bag.

There is a small amount of common sense associate with the rule:

8-1-2 A defensive player is entitled to change to a different defensive position at any time. The plate umpire shall report the change to the official scorer, team scorekeepers, and to the opposing coaches and scorekeepers, before the next pitch.

EFFECT—Failure to report defensive changes renders the player unreported. (See Rule 8-3-3.)

A.R. 8-1-2: If the second baseman is located closer to first base than the first baseman who is playing in and away from the foul line for a slapper, they are not considered to have exchanged defensive positions. However, if the catcher and first baseman exchange positions, they are considered to be unreported substitutes if the umpire is not notified.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What if I move my CF into the infield (or my 2B out to the outfield) and use an unorthodox lineup for a batter for whatever reason?

That's addressed by Rule 6.5.4. "A player should not be considered to have changed defensive positions if she does not exchange her fielding position with another player but only temporarily stations herself at a different location on the field (for example, a fourth outfielder or fifth infielder)."

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

RKBump: You have to report position changes?

MNBlue: If I put "Cassie Smith" instead of "Cassandra Smith" on the lineup it's a violation?

Is the softball world that nuts?

And folks wonder why I "ignore" the issues on the SB side of our league.

As stated, NCAA requires all defensive position changes to be reported. I am told it is for statistics keeping purposes so that the propper players get credit for put outs, errors etc.

Coach was just being dumb, they were run ruling the other team and he just started moving girls all over the field and not reporting it.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Is the softball world that nuts?

No, just the NCAA softball world- where the inmates run the asylum (that is, the coaches have a heavy influence on the rules committee and regularly push through goofy stuff like this, usually because on some perceived slight they suffered during the regular season).

[Andy]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

My daughters juco coach got busted twice in one game for not reporting position changes.

Why does this not surprise me.....and I'm sure he had a lot to say about it....

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by Andy

Why does this not surprise me.....and I'm sure he had a lot to say about it....

Once again Im sure you know exactly who Im talking about. And yes, he had plenty to say.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Whether it is at work or doing games, I just hate "Gotcha". I do not believe the spirit of the game should allow this. Who cares if she writes Boomer or Jessica, the correct last name and the number. I know who she is and so do both coaches. I know the rules and will call them accordingly. But I still think it's wrong.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Whether it is at work or doing games, I just hate "Gotcha". I do not believe the spirit of the game should allow this. Who cares if she writes Boomer or Jessica, the correct last name and the number. I know who she is and so do both coaches. I know the rules and will call them accordingly. But I still think it's wrong.

While I tend to agree, the coaches are suppose to fill out the lineup card accurately and as required by the rules. If they choose to hand in an inaccurate lineup and get called on a "gotcha" it is their own fault and they will know better next time.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Whether it is at work or doing games, I just hate "Gotcha". I do not believe the spirit of the game should allow this. Who cares if she writes Boomer or Jessica, the correct last name and the number. I know who she is and so do both coaches. I know the rules and will call them accordingly. But I still think it's wrong.

Blue, "Boomer" is her middle name. And her ID's back in the locker room...