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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by rwest

First of all I am assuming this is fast pitch since you were in the C position. If that is the case you are supposed to move inside for a call at first. What holding zone are you talking about? Never heard of a holding zone on this play. I'm moving into the area between the pitchers plate and 2nd.

Yup, that would be the holding area I referred to.

This is assuming a play at first base. I very rarely get to that area because I have to clear the runner and make sure I'm not in the way of the fielder or her throwing lane. There is a lot of traffic over in the C position, which is why getting that far inside is rare. Also, I'm going to read the play because I could have a play at third as well. Which in that case it would be my call to make as the first throw on the infield is mine to every base but home. If that is the case I will stay outside.

Kind of exactly how this happened. I waited for R2 to get by, but not really long enough. There was no play at third, F5 was the one going after the ball. The problem came because while I read - play at first, and was heading to where I should be for that play... I did not anticipate ANY chance at a catch, but the catch happened anyway. When I saw catch, I was a step behind R2 in both directions - she stopped, my momentum took me forward another step, RIGHT in her way.

If I'd waited just a hair more before trying to get to the area between P and 2B (whatever you prefer to call it), I would not have gotten in her way.

The other consideration was that assuming (as I did) that there was no catch, the most likely play was at home - so the holding area (after a play at home with runners on all 3 bases), was probably not my ideal spot if the ball went home. Call it a learning moment - we all have them.

[ronald]

and ...

do not go to the grass if the 2nd baseman goes there. do not, i repeat, go there. central atlantic uic instructions --as dave pointed out.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by ronald

and ...

do not go to the grass if the 2nd baseman goes there. do not, i repeat, go there. central atlantic uic instructions --as dave pointed out.

You are not going to hear that from me, nor will you find it in the umpire manual. It is a ludicrous restriction since all infields are not cut the same and we cannot control where the defense plays.

What would you do if all the IF were on the grass? Check out the Border Battle III. You may notice, the only umpire on dirt is the PU.

I WOULD agree to such a direction if there was no reason to be on the grass. There are umpires who like to stay deep, way too deep and end up running twice as far as needed and occasionally don't get to where they really need to be. The answer I get when I mention it is, "that's okay, I like to run". Well, guess what, Bubba, you ain't as fast as you think you are.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

You are not going to hear that from me, nor will you find it in the umpire manual. It is a ludicrous restriction since all infields are not cut the same and we cannot control where the defense plays.

What would you do if all the IF were on the grass? Check out the Border Battle III. You may notice, the only umpire on dirt is the PU.

I WOULD agree to such a direction if there was no reason to be on the grass. There are umpires who like to stay deep, way too deep and end up running twice as far as needed and occasionally don't get to where they really need to be. The answer I get when I mention it is, "that's okay, I like to run". Well, guess what, Bubba, you ain't as fast as you think you are.

When I called my National 2 years ago, we were given a similar instruction: stay off the grass.

The message I got from it was: find a spot where you're still on the dirt and not so far out of position, and don't be complacent by just following the book's instructions to plant behind F4. It got me thinking about where I should be when the "by-the-book" spot is so far out of position that you're completely removed from the play.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

The message I got from it was: find a spot where you're still on the dirt and not so far out of position, and don't be complacent by just following the book's instructions to plant behind F4. It got me thinking about where I should be when the "by-the-book" spot is so far out of position that you're completely removed from the play.

I have little doubt that this evolved from an old umpire adage somewhere along the lines of, "the umpire is treated like dirt, so stand on the dirt". And that is fine, as an adage, not as a standard mechanic. In the FP game, it is almost always available. To say the same in the SP game of TODAY, is unrealistic. And guess how much smaller that cut-out becomes when they move the bases to 70'?

I agree an umpire needs to go where s/he needs to be to do the job. And when it is necessary to deviate, you go where you need to go and make every effort to stay out of the area of the play.

BTW, it is a good possibility the folks who told you to stay on the dirt are the same that gigged umpires from my area for not mirroring the plate umpire's "time" call and for going out on a sinking line drives to the OF in a two-umpire system even though the crew pre-gamed it and it was necessary for those plays.

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

When I called my National 2 years ago, we were given a similar instruction: stay off the grass.

The message I got from it was: find a spot where you're still on the dirt and not so far out of position, and don't be complacent by just following the book's instructions to plant behind F4. It got me thinking about where I should be when the "by-the-book" spot is so far out of position that you're completely removed from the play.

Don't you know, or want to know, what the real reason is to stay off the grass?

[txtrooper]

Originally Posted by adams3868

WOW, had my first games last night (3 in a row, yes, I'm sore), worked the bases all three, next week I get to be behind the plate. The UIC said I did very well, he said I rushed a bit. You all were spot on..SLOW DOWN. Had alot of bangers at first and second without any grumbles although me and the second baseman collided twice. I want to thank everyone on this forum for all the help and advice. Any advice for working behind the plate? (mens slow pitch)

Congratulations on making it through your first games! Remember to study the rules and mechanics, also be patient and have a good time.

[Crabby_Bob]

reported. someone's /8 needs to be canned.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

reported. someone's /8 needs to be canned.

Looks like someone's really bad browser history.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Looks like someone's really bad browser history.

(Yes, it was funny. Thanks.)

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

C'mon, that was funny...

[Welpe]

I'm surprised it took the spammers this long to latch onto this thread.