The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Softball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jul 01, 2011, 02:24pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 297
One thing I forgot to mention...

Don't take your eyes off the ball. Nothing can happen with out it...See Bernie Profato school of umpiring...

I learned how to do an over hand out at NUS when he was an instructor.

And that is over simplified...but its true. "nothing can happen without the ball"
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jul 01, 2011, 02:52pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upstate, SC
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto View Post
And that is over simplified...but its true. "nothing can happen without the ball"
Well, obstruction almost always happens without the ball, because with the ball it's not usually obstruction.
__________________
Just Tryin' to Learn...
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jul 01, 2011, 03:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Gulf Coast of TX to Destin Fl
Posts: 988
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsf23 View Post
Agree with that. The first year I umped, I had a bang-bang play at third, called the runner safe, the third baseman looked up, saw that I was on top of the play and says, "It's a good thing you are standing right there blue or we'd be arguing right now." Then he tossed the ball back to the pitcher and didn't say another word.
It is nice to get your nose in their once you have seen the play, but don't get in too close too early. Bad things can happen if you are too close to the play.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto View Post
Don't take your eyes off the ball. Nothing can happen with out it...See Bernie Profato school of umpiring...

I learned how to do an over hand out at NUS when he was an instructor.

And that is over simplified...but its true. "nothing can happen without the ball"
There are a few times you just have to take your eyes off the ball though. Case in point, summer womens game (mostly college kids)......nobody on and outs don't matter. I am in A.....shallow fly ball towards RF......I bust inside while watching the ball over my right shoulder. Apparently, F3 thought she might also have had a shot at the fly ball and we collide. Damn near knocked both of us off our feet.

In that situation a quick peek at the ball and then watching where I was going would have been the right thing to do.

Joel

Last edited by Gulf Coast Blue; Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 05:37pm.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jul 01, 2011, 05:08pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Metro Atlanta
Posts: 871
Also remember, that even with proper mechanics from all umpires in a game, there are certain situations, where there are spots on the field where a pair of eyes wasn't available. And even after a private meeting with your partner(s), if it wasn't seen, it can't be called.
__________________
Tony
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sat Jul 02, 2011, 01:31am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: SC
Posts: 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by tcannizzo View Post
Also remember, that even with proper mechanics from all umpires in a game, there are certain situations, where there are spots on the field where a pair of eyes wasn't available. And even after a private meeting with your partner(s), if it wasn't seen, it can't be called.
for me the toughest part of officiating in those crazy 1 in 500,00 instances when two umpires or 3 basketball officials miss what ever the fans or gym is screaming about and theres nothing you can do except play on
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sat Jul 02, 2011, 03:36am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Gulf Coast of TX to Destin Fl
Posts: 988
Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheway View Post
for me the toughest part of officiating in those crazy 1 in 500,00 instances when two umpires or 3 basketball officials miss what ever the fans or gym is screaming about and theres nothing you can do except play on
For the most part though.....fans have no idea what they saw.....they just know they "saw something"......

Joel
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Fri Jul 01, 2011, 06:50pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sherman, TX
Posts: 4,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto View Post
Don't take your eyes off the ball. Nothing can happen with out it..
Except for maybe obstruction.........
__________________
Scott


It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Sat Jul 02, 2011, 05:44pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skahtboi View Post
Except for maybe obstruction.........
...or UC, or INT or a missed base or an injury or .......well, a load of things can happen without the ball.

While it is true that the umpire needs to find the ball and be aware of where it is, I disagree with the comment of always watch the ball. As noted, "over simplified", but it is a too simplistic a comment which too many take to heart, including some UICs. I once received a phone call from an umpire at a NC who was told by the UIC to not worry about watching the BR touch 1B instead of watching the ball which was at the fence in left field.

When on the field, we all have specific assignments and a good portion of those jobs do not involve watching the ball. You learn to find the ball and adjust, if necessary.
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Sat Jul 02, 2011, 08:53pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 297
:-(

Unfortunately, my attempt at humor in remembering the "drills" Bernie Profato made us do at NUS wasn't quite so humorous...sorry.

I remember doing the three man drill with Bernie where he gives you a hand signal and you all three have to make the same call. If you do not, they you get to do over hand outs from 1st base all the way to the outfield fence. And finally, when the three of you get it right and you're high fiving each other, Bernie will throw his hand up and everyone is supposed to yell "Dead Ball!!!". And if you're not paying attention, guess what you get to do...yep. Over hand outs.

Great learning tool to get umpires to hesitate that split second but that the ball is quite important.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Sat Jul 02, 2011, 09:34pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto View Post
Unfortunately, my attempt at humor in remembering the "drills" Bernie Profato made us do at NUS wasn't quite so humorous...sorry.
No, it is humorous for anyone who has experienced Bernie.
Quote:

I remember doing the three man drill with Bernie where he gives you a hand signal and you all three have to make the same call. If you do not, they you get to do over hand outs from 1st base all the way to the outfield fence. And finally, when the three of you get it right and you're high fiving each other, Bernie will throw his hand up and everyone is supposed to yell "Dead Ball!!!". And if you're not paying attention, guess what you get to do...yep. Over hand outs.

Great learning tool to get umpires to hesitate that split second but that the ball is quite important.
Though he could be mean at times Saw him rip up a blank certificate that was supposed to be that of a kid who happened to have nodded off during a lecture by Bernie. When awarding the certificates and it came time for this 14 yo kid to receive his, Bernie put on a show ripping up the certificate. Poor kid damn near came to tears. Felt bad for him.
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jul 03, 2011, 08:14am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Metro Atlanta
Posts: 871
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA View Post
No, it is humorous for anyone who has experienced Bernie.
I am laughing.
__________________
Tony
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jul 04, 2011, 10:26am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 297
I would have to agree!

Bernie was an experience!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Let's all learn... Rich Basketball 19 Wed Dec 22, 2010 02:47pm
Man, I have a lot to learn..... shavano Basketball 22 Wed Feb 17, 2010 02:13pm
Learn by doing showbo Basketball 24 Sat Jun 27, 2009 08:41am
Where do they learn this? Junker Basketball 6 Fri Jan 26, 2007 01:05pm
Why Don't They Learn? dddunn3d Baseball 18 Wed Apr 12, 2006 05:45pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:16pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1