Are base runners always protected on a illegal pitch?

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by youngump

#1, I don't think it's only semantics. A couple months ago we had a discussion where it was pointed out that to violate the leaving early rule one just has to break contact but to violate the LBR one has to actually leave the base. Making it for example legal to lose contact while cleaning one's cleats.

How would one define the difference between leaving the base vs. breaking contact with the base?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

How would one define the difference between leaving the base vs. breaking contact with the base?

My question exactly.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

How would one define the difference between leaving the base vs. breaking contact with the base?

The easiest example is the runner standing with one foot on the bag. She lifts up the foot on the bag and bangs it back down to clear the dirt off her cleat. She has lost contact with the base but not left it. Searching for the thread will probably get you more than hearing me recount it.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by youngump

The easiest example is the runner standing with one foot on the bag. She lifts up the foot on the bag and bangs it back down to clear the dirt off her cleat. She has lost contact with the base but not left it. Searching for the thread will probably get you more than hearing me recount it.

I don't recall the thread, but I have an opinion.

If you saw that, then you are looking at the wrong thing.

Leaving early on a pitch just isn't a LBR violation; it is leaving early on the pitch. Different rule citation (on the road, cannot cite the specifics).

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I don't recall the thread, but I have an opinion.

If you saw that, then you are looking at the wrong thing.

Leaving early on a pitch just isn't a LBR violation; it is leaving early on the pitch. Different rule citation (on the road, cannot cite the specifics).

If this helps.....
ASA....
Runner fails to keep contact w/base...8.7.s LookBackRule...8.7.t

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

If this helps.....
ASA....
Runner fails to keep contact w/base...8.7.s LookBackRule...8.7.t

I'll grant you that they are different rules.

However, when does LBR stop applying and failing to keep contact with the base start applying?

[MD Longhorn]

Exactly. These two rules have always been redundant (well, one of them, at least). Same infraction, same penalty. No need to say it twice.

[roadking]

Kind of were I was going with my question is, on a IP does the ball become dead on a called ball on the batter or can the base runners attempt a steal in hopes of drawing a bad throw to keep advancing?