Leap, Crow Hop vs replant

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Dakota

3.2 huh?... as a Brit once told me... the problem with American beer is avoiding drowning...

Well, that's why some of Region 3 had a different drink of choice until the "toast to end all toasts" happened. Some people you just can't take out of a small Eastern seaboard state.

[tcannizzo]

What is the call if:
The pitcher crow-hops and THEN also leaps landing outside the 24" plate all on the same pitch?






(Don't worry, I know the answer.)

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

What is the call if:
The pitcher crow-hops and THEN also leaps landing outside the 24" plate all on the same pitch?






(Don't worry, I know the answer.)

Illegal pitch!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Mike, you might have missed my point (I'm thinking). What I took away from OKC was that once you have started your pitch (separating hands) and dragged away, that's a legal pitch; that is is not possible to "crow-drag" if it were, because ASA does not have that in their rule set. This was explicitly brought into the discussion to show a distinction from the NCAA definition of legal pitching (where one can be illegal by replanting after a legal drag).

Is the crow hop a bad term? Yes, because "hop" can be confused with leap. The crow hop then is "replanting" in front of the pitcher's plate before you begin the pitch (the the NFHS uses the word "replant" in what a crow hop is). So are we saying the same thing?

A crow hop is a replant, but (by NCAA definition) not all replants are crow hops. And there is some thought of removing the word crow hop from the NCAA book (not as a rule change, but editorial change).

I agree and pretty much stated so. I was just adding other points that have been discussed. A leap is not a crow hop. A crow hop COULD occur on the back end of a leap, but the IP should already have been observed with the leap. The two terms are a matter of convenience to communiate and are understood by most coaches.

BTW, ASA does not recognize lettered positions (A, B, C, D) for umpires. I have been told that by three different members of the upper level of the NUS. It was also a reason a proposed mechanic change was not addressed because the members of the NUS were "confused" because these indicators were used in the description. Just saying...

[IRISHMAFIA]

[quote=tcannizzo;754457]What is the call if:
The pitcher crow-hops and THEN also leaps landing outside the 24" plate all on the same pitch?

The count goes to 3-0 and the runner on first scores?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

ASA does not recognize lettered positions (A, B, C, D) for umpires.

Yet local and state level clinicians use them habitually. Just curious - exactly what terms are used at NUS for these 4 positions?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Yet local and state level clinicians use them habitually. Just curious - exactly what terms are used at NUS for these 4 positions?

1BL, behind 2B, behind SS, 3BL

....more or less.

I was told they just refer to the position the umpire should be in for a particular scenario.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

,Ok, I'm going to hijack this thread. We had a big discussion about proper terminology, so I am going to request in what softball mechanic book (limited to the big three) that describe starting positions for the BU as "A" "B" "C" and so forth.
(I guess I could be like "pee-CAN"Steve and say that "reeks of baseball" but I've had my coffee this morning )

Could someone pull out there 83-85 rule books? My memory thinks it used to be in there?

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Illegal pitch!

I think we have a winner!
Sorry, Mike you get 2nd place.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

I think we have a winner!
Sorry, Mike you get 2nd place.

I can I only get 2nd place when I had 3 to Tom's 1?

Damn, Southerners, can't count for ****!

[tcannizzo]

I know it hurts, but there were only 2 of you in the running.
Better luck next time.
You want to talk Sout? How 'bout dem youts?

[tcannizzo]

Upon further review,
Tom shame on you for even responding with the correct answer. Can't let you get away with that.
The question was posed, purely for humor.
Mike, you are now placed ahead of the other contestant.
However, I find it hard to say that you are the winner!
Let these last few cocktails set in and the judge will render the final verdict.

Bob Barker: " And a NEW Car!!!!"

[Dakota]

Jeez... I wasn't even aware there was a competition going on...

[tcannizzo]

There wasn't supposed to be, but ya never know until you put it out there.