Interference and Obstruction during same play

[UmpireErnie]

This play (or something like it) came up in another thread and was never really answered or discussed so I bestow upon it, it’s very own thread!

PLAY: No outs. R1 at 2B, B2 hits safely thru the infield. Rounding 3B, R1 is obstructed by F5 and falls to the ground. She gets up and retreats to 3B. In your judgment she would have easily scored.

Meanwhile the ball is thrown to F4 in an attempt to put out B2 who is trying to stretch the hit into a double. The throw is in time but dropped by F4. B2 in a desperate bid to avoid being tagged out kicks the ball away from F4.

I am pretty sure at the point B2 kicks the ball we all have “Dead Ball”. Now what?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

This play (or something like it) came up in another thread and was never really answered or discussed so I bestow upon it, it’s very own thread!

PLAY: No outs. R1 at 2B, B2 hits safely thru the infield. Rounding 3B, R1 is obstructed by F5 and falls to the ground. She gets up and retreats to 3B. In your judgment she would have easily scored.

Meanwhile the ball is thrown to F4 in an attempt to put out B2 who is trying to stretch the hit into a double. The throw is in time but dropped by F4. B2 in a desperate bid to avoid being tagged out kicks the ball away from F4.

I am pretty sure at the point B2 kicks the ball we all have “Dead Ball”. Now what?

B2 is out, dead ball as said. R1 was already awarded home in your mind, awards are always during dead ball times, so no problem.

[Tex]

Agree with Cecileone, even if B2's interference was the 3rd out.

[derwil]

I'm going to have a very hard time awarding home in this scenario, just because an attempt at home was not made. If she retreats back to 3rd, well I just don't think she's gonna get home. Show me a reason to give you home. Walk, crawl.....swim to home....something that shows me you wanted to go there. Otherwise I'm gonna assume you're a knucklehead and don't know how to play the game.

Maybe just me..........

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by derwil

I'm going to have a very hard time awarding home in this scenario, just because an attempt at home was not made. If she retreats back to 3rd, well I just don't think she's gonna get home. Show me a reason to give you home. Walk, crawl.....swim to home....something that shows me you wanted to go there. Otherwise I'm gonna assume you're a knucklehead and don't know how to play the game.

Maybe just me..........

How about the fact that the OP clearly stated she would have easily scored?

[marvin]

Originally Posted by derwil

I'm going to have a very hard time awarding home in this scenario, just because an attempt at home was not made. If she retreats back to 3rd, well I just don't think she's gonna get home. Show me a reason to give you home. Walk, crawl.....swim to home....something that shows me you wanted to go there. Otherwise I'm gonna assume you're a knucklehead and don't know how to play the game.

Maybe just me..........

Running hard toward home until being knocked down by a defender wasn't enough to demonstrate that the runner was trying to reach home?

[UmpireErnie]

OK I can see where HTBT to know if you really would have awarded home on the OBS; but for the sake of this thread let’s assume that you WERE prepared to award the runner home on the OBS, but now we have this INT over at 2B which finally kills the play.

Can we enforce both OBS and INT on the same play? INT rule says return runner to last base legally touched at time of INT. NFHS 8-5-3 ASA 8-6-C both specify last base touched not awarded.

[derwil]

Originally Posted by marvin

Running hard toward home until being knocked down by a defender wasn't enough to demonstrate that the runner was trying to reach home?

OP didn't state "running hard", OP stated would have easily scored. Would she have easily scored because the throw came into 2nd base or because she was moving well enough to beat the throw? Would she have beaten the dead ball call at second? I know - all judgement calls and something you'd have to judge on the play itself.

I guess I envisioned the play as the runner getting her legs tangled up at the bag - not moving necessarily fast but because the throw goes to second base she would have scored easily. Throw to home might get her if unobstructed. This is the situation I was commenting on.

If we have an absolute train wreck at third, then sure - give her home. Otherwise you've got to show a little effort - give me a reason to give you the call. Tough situation but I believe there are scenarios that could support two seperate conclusions on R1.