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LIUmp Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by KJUmp (Post 739581)
This is not a PONY rule or a correct interpretation according to the PONY rule book.
From the Points of Emphasis section in the PONY 2010 Girls Softball Rules and Regulations book (Pg.V):
#8 CHECK SWING/BUNT STRIKE
"On a bunt attempt where the batter puts the bat across the plate, unless the batter moves the bat towards the ball, a strike would not be called if the ball is out of the strike zone."
Thanks KJ! I am corrected again. So PONY agrees with ASA and with Mike. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Dave, perhaps the guy you knew was confused like me?

NCASAUmp Mon Mar 14, 2011 06:29am
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Originally Posted by LIBlueASA (Post 739642)
Thanks KJ! I am corrected again. So PONY agrees with ASA and with Mike. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Dave, perhaps the guy you knew was confused like me?
Uh oh... Maybe my source wasn't correct, then. :eek:

He's called for so many different orgs, so I have to cut him some slack.

greg21001 Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:27am
Now I am going to have to ask..what about USSSA? My DD played 90% Usssa last year and her coaches told her to make sure you pulled the bat back if its a ball. This year she is on a different team that plays 90% ASA and she doesn't ahve to pull the bat back. Should I just keep telling her to pull it back so if we play PONY/USSSA she is used to it?

LIUmp Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:52am
Not sure about USSSA, but in PONY she is not required to pull the bat back.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:54am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 739699)
Uh oh... Maybe my source wasn't correct, then. :eek:

He's called for so many different orgs, so I have to cut him some slack.
Why? Would you expect a player or coach to do the same? :rolleyes:

This is what causes problems and confuses players. Okay, so that isn't so unusual, but you get my point. :D

shipwreck Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by greg21001 (Post 739752)
Now I am going to have to ask..what about USSSA? My DD played 90% Usssa last year and her coaches told her to make sure you pulled the bat back if its a ball. This year she is on a different team that plays 90% ASA and she doesn't ahve to pull the bat back. Should I just keep telling her to pull it back so if we play PONY/USSSA she is used to it?
Is she planning on playing softball in college? In NCAA, they need to pull the bat back. If she is planning on playing in college, it would be good to get in the habit. Dave

HugoTafurst Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 739817)
Is she planning on playing softball in college? In NCAA, they need to pull the bat back. If she is planning on playing in college, it would be good to get in the habit. Dave

Is she planning on playing softball in High School? In NFHS, they need to pull the bat back. If she is planning on playing in High School, it would be good to get in the habit.

:D

Gulf Coast Blue Mon Mar 14, 2011 01:50pm
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Originally Posted by LIBlueASA (Post 739560)
I'm with you Mike. I don't see why a strike would be called if the batter never offered at the pitch. In fact, it goes against the definition of a check swing and offering at a pitch.

And Dave and Mike and others, I thank you yet again for clearing up my confusion. This has been the way I have been calling it - ASA no strike, PONY strike...

Someone will want to mention to the Dallas Metroplex Softball Association that there is a mistake on their website under the forty myths. They have incorrectly listed this as an ASA rule, when it is, in fact, an NFHS and PONY rule.

DMSUA.COM

Myth number 11.

Yup......modified my old rule myths document and screwed it up.........:rolleyes:

Joel

SNIPERBBB Mon Mar 14, 2011 05:05pm
I'd have her pull it back just for the simple fact that for whatever reason, it REALLY pisses some umpires off and they will call the strike regardless of the rule set.

MD Longhorn Mon Mar 14, 2011 05:10pm
I think I can beat that. Last Saturday had a coach INSIST that because his player didn't move the bat and was in fact looking at the catcher when the ball came in, that it was not a bunt attempt.

Unfortunately, there were 2 strikes ... and the player in question actually hit the ball - foul. Strike Three!

youngump Mon Mar 14, 2011 05:15pm
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 739936)
I think I can beat that. Last Saturday had a coach INSIST that because his player didn't move the bat and was in fact looking at the catcher when the ball came in, that it was not a bunt attempt.

Unfortunately, there were 2 strikes ... and the player in question actually hit the ball - foul. Strike Three!
I've never seen this, and I'm pretty sure I'd go where you did on the field. But I'm not sure how you could argue he's wrong from the rulebook. Bunt is defined as a pitched ball that is intentionally tapped with the bat. I'm pretty sure there's no definition for bunt attempt. I just can't imagine not reading intent in putting the bat out there.
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