Is the UIC wrong or am I on another planet?

drh898 · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 24, 2011, 03:53pm

Last night we had a USSSA meeting and the UIC tried to tell us that he was told at the national meeting that a batter-runner can be tagged out by a fielder by touching the runner before she reaches first base. No problem so far. Then he proceeded to tell us that the fielder can tag her with the glove without the ball being in the glove as long as she has possession of the ball in her other hand. Then he proceeded to tell us she could tag the runner with any part of her body as long as she held the ball in either her glove or her hand. I'm speechless. Anyone else have this explained to them like this? I can't believe this is the case. His reasoning was that it was a force play just like tagging the base with any part of the body as long as the have possession of the ball.

CecilOne · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 24, 2011, 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by drh898

Last night we had a USSSA meeting and the UIC tried to tell us that he was told at the national meeting that a batter-runner can be tagged out by a fielder by touching the runner before she reaches first base. No problem so far. Then he proceeded to tell us that the fielder can tag her with the glove without the ball being in the glove as long as she has possession of the ball in her other hand. Then he proceeded to tell us she could tag the runner with any part of her body as long as she held the ball in either her glove or her hand. I'm speechless. Anyone else have this explained to them like this? I can't believe this is the case. His reasoning was that it was a force play just like tagging the base with any part of the body as long as the have possession of the ball.

It is not you that is on another planet.

NCASAUmp · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 24, 2011, 04:53pm

Are you sure the UIC didn't mean that the defense could tag the BASE with any part of their body? If that's what he MEANT to say, then that would be correct.

Sometimes, you're up there speaking (in front of dozens of opinionated umpires, no less) with all eyes on you, and you get a little tongue-tied.

By the way, ever been to BJ's Brewhouse? They've got some GREAT beers over there! I've been there a few times...

scottk_61 · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 24, 2011, 11:30pm

Hey! Works for me!
You gotta remember, you only get paid for the outs!

Dutch Alex · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 03:12am

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Originally Posted by scottk_61

Hey! Works for me!
You gotta remember, you only get paid for the outs!

I'd wish that would be true! Every game would ending in extra innings and more money in the pocket

It's all for the love of the sport

drh898 · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 10:17am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Are you sure the UIC didn't mean that the defense could tag the BASE with any part of their body? If that's what he MEANT to say, then that would be correct.

Sometimes, you're up there speaking (in front of dozens of opinionated umpires, no less) with all eyes on you, and you get a little tongue-tied.

By the way, ever been to BJ's Brewhouse? They've got some GREAT beers over there! I've been there a few times...

I'm sure he believes what he thought he heard but we had a long discussion about this and he insisted that is what the USSSA interpretation is. Although at the end he backed off a bit and said he would get clarification.

BJ's is one of my favorites, right next to Apple. I live only about a mile or so from there.

NCASAUmp · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 10:19am

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Originally Posted by drh898

I'm sure he believes what he thought he heard but we had a long discussion about this and he insisted that is what the USSSA interpretation is. Although at the end he backed off a bit and said he would get clarification.

BJ's is one of my favorites, right next to Apple. I live only about a mile or so from there.

Awesome, I went to an Apple training there. Had a great time, and the beer there is EXCELLENT.

Welpe · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 10:44am

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Awesome, I went to an Apple training there. Had a great time, and the beer there is EXCELLENT.

We have one a few miles from my house. They are all over the place out here and in California.

They have some excellent beers. I'm partial to the Jeremiah Red and Nutty Brewnette myself.

Go figure that I poke my head in the softball forum and see beer being discussed in a couple of threads.

NCASAUmp · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 11:24am

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Originally Posted by Welpe

We have one a few miles from my house. They are all over the place out here and in California.

They have some excellent beers. I'm partial to the Jeremiah Red and Nutty Brewnette myself.

Go figure that I poke my head in the softball forum and see beer being discussed in a couple of threads.

As it damn well should be!

Maybe I should open a BJ's Brewhouse franchise here in NC. Any takers?

MichaelVA2000 · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:32pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

As it damn well should be!

Maybe I should open a BJ's Brewhouse franchise here in NC. Any takers?

Let me know when you open it. I could sample the different beers for you and take care of quality control.

NCASAUmp · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 03:24pm

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Let me know when you open it. I could sample the different beers for you and take care of quality control.

I think I'll keep it in-house, thank you very much.

CecilOne · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 06:56pm

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Originally Posted by drh898

I'm sure he believes what he thought he heard but we had a long discussion about this and he insisted that is what the USSSA interpretation is. Although at the end he backed off a bit and said he would get clarification.

8-18-I "glove or hand with the ball held therein"

No clarification or interpretation needed.

drh898 · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 25, 2011, 08:02pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne

8-18-I "glove or hand with the ball held therein"

No clarification or interpretation needed.

I read him (UIC) the definition of a tag out on page 22, rule 3, sec. 65, of the USSSA rule book and that was when he backed off saying he would get clarification. The reason I brought this up was to find out if others had heard this. I'm glad to hear no one responded in the postive and our UIC was just confused.

Everyone, have a great softball season!!

By the way, open a Hooters and I'll do the hiring and firing.....................for free.

HugoTafurst · #14 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 26, 2011, 05:20am

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Originally Posted by drh898

I read him (UIC) the definition of a tag out on page 22, rule 3, sec. 65, of the USSSA rule book and that was when he backed off saying he would get clarification. The reason I brought this up was to find out if others had heard this. I'm glad to hear no one responded in the postive and our UIC was just confused.

Everyone, have a great softball season!!

By the way, open a Hooters and I'll do the hiring and firing.....................for free.

Is it possible the UIC had been to BJ's BEFORE the meeting?

drh898 · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 26, 2011, 11:42am

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Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Is it possible the UIC had been to BJ's BEFORE the meeting?

Actually, I wish we had the meeting at BJ's, the food (and beer) is so much better than Denny's.

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