Ball 4 missed

[youngump]

Originally Posted by youngump

Yes, it definitely could be said that and if another pitch had not been thrown then you should correct it. But once another pitch is thrown how can you ignore the "it's too late" language.

Actually, second guessing myself here I'm not sure the umpire made a call at any point so maybe it isn't too late to fix it.
Suppose that the umpire calls ball 4 (and even makes it clear the runner should advance) and steps out to watch the runner advance. The offense and the defense obliviously stand there and finally the pitcher throws home using an underhand motion that resembles a pitch (but it's not because you can't pitch the ball until the previous play ends and it hasn't). At this point we have intentional interference with a pitched ball and the batter runner is out. Bring up B3. [And ream the umpire for not making the walk more clear]

Now the only thing different here is that the umpire didn't clearly tell the runner to advance and make the correct mechanic for watching a runner take first base. But I don't think the defense can be penalized for the umpires bad mechanics.

Of course if the OP is slow pitch w/o stealing, then the ball was dead and the umpire calling play ball is a call that happened before a pitch.
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Ashy