ASA Senior Ball - Second Plate

[celebur]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

Or is the 5th choice R2 not only "caught up" with R1, but also passed him?

There would still be two outs though--R2 out for passing, R1 out on the commitment play.

Around my neck of the woods, I only see two home plates in a variant of slo-pitch where the catcher must play the original plate and the runner(s) must go for the second plate. In effect, the second plate acts as the scoring line (safe line) in coed slo-pitch.

[BretMan]

I can't really see any other alternative under the rules than calling both runners out on this play.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

I can't really see any other alternative under the rules than calling both runners out on this play.

I agree. As the rule is written, both should be out.

It just seems strange that on a play designed to be handled as a "force out" you can get more than one player out on a single act of touching one base.

However, by rule, the defense has no alternative since they cannot tag the runner. What would be expected, that the catcher touch the plate for one out, step off and then touch the plate a second time for the second runner?

This is a perfect example of what happens when you tinker with the rules of the game.

[CecilOne]

It is not a force out if there were runners only on 2nd and 3rd as in the OP.

[SergioJ]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It is not a force out if there were runners only on 2nd and 3rd as in the OP.

Cecil, The "force out" is the fact that once both runners passed the committment line, then, by rule, they are "forced" to continue to the second home plate. If they go back to 3rd base, then, again, by rule, are out.

Serg

[youngump]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

Cecil, The "force out" is the fact that once both runners passed the committment line, then, by rule, they are "forced" to continue to the second home plate. If they go back to 3rd base, then, again, by rule, are out.

Serg

But it is a timing play, no?
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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by youngump

But it is a timing play, no?

What's your point?

Mike - I don't see this as being odd at all. Without the tinkered rule, both runners would be heading for home and F2 would be able to tag both.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

Cecil, The "force out" is the fact that once both runners passed the committment line, then, by rule, they are "forced" to continue to the second home plate. If they go back to 3rd base, then, again, by rule, are out.

Serg

OK that's true. As I said earlier, passing the line is the key.

[IRISHMAFIA]

STOP!!!

I did not say it was a force out, but "handled" as a force out.

Does anyone actually READ what is typed?

[NCASAUmp]

Mike, are you asking this question because I'm in Burlington this weekend?

Answer is 1.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Mike, are you asking this question because I'm in Burlington this weekend?

Answer is 1.

No, it wasn't because you are in Burlington.

It is because an umpire ruled #2 on such a play.

When I get these questions (that are not part of any protest), I try to put myself in the umpire's position and work back from the call to see what s/he may have been thinking to come to the conclusion s/he did.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

STOP!!!

I did not say it was a force out, but "handled" as a force out.

Does anyone actually READ what is typed?

My fault, reading fragments instead of all. Reminded by Serg.

"Quote:
Originally Posted by SergioJ
Cecil, The "force out" is the fact that once both runners passed the committment line, then, by rule, they are "forced" to continue to the second home plate. If they go back to 3rd base, then, again, by rule, are out.

Serg

OK that's true. As I said earlier, passing the line is the key. "

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

My fault, reading fragments instead of all. Reminded by Serg.

Just didn't want it to get out of control. Too often threads take a turn away from the point and I just wanted to avoid that.

Thanks